Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future(indystar)

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  • vnzla81
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    • Jul 2008
    • 68179

    Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future(indystar)




    Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future

    The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward this opinion: I want to see more of Lance Stephenson.

    He played well in summer league. We all know that by now. He's 6-5 with a 6-11 wingspan. He's a guy who has been groomed to play in the NBA since he was, oh, probably 14. So let's find out what he can do.

    Now.

    Not next year.

    Not three years down the road. (Seriously, how much more substantial information do we have about Brandon Rush that we didn't have two years ago with all this in-and-out-of-the-lineup silliness?)

    My thinking on Stephenson goes something along these lines:

    First, this season means next to nothing to the Pacers. Their whole Plan of Patience is to have salary cap space next summer. So if they win 20, 30 or 40 games this year, it changes little, except one potential item we'll get to in a bit.

    Second, Larry Bird keeps saying he wants a point guard. The Pacers have Stephenson, their second-round pick; A.J. Price, last year's second-round pick; and T.J. Ford on the roster, with Earl Watson out there as a free agent.

    The only real unknown in that group is Stephenson. Next year, neither Ford nor Price is going to bring much of anything as trade bait especially since Ford will be a free agent, so there is no reason to showcase them. Coach Jim O'Brien already has ticked off Ford to no end, and Price is coming along, but if it doesn't work out with a second-round pick, so be it. Which brings us back to Stephenson.

    Third, Stephenson has been groomed to be an NBA player since he hit high school. I was at the ABCD camp in New Jersey the summer of 2005 when this kid who hadn't entered high school went toe to toe with O.J. Mayo, who at the time had the rep as the best prep guard in the nation.

    Stephenson lost that battle to the guy a little more than three years older, but that was the biggest buzz from the entire camp. Lance Stephenson had the gall to go after O.J.? For real?

    I remember talking to some of the New York basketball mafia about Stephenson that week and the stories were amazing. So were the hangers-on, which, unfortunately, also often is part of the New York basketball scene.

    "That kid's in trouble," one NYC insider told me at the time.

    "Why," I asked.

    "Look at the shoes around him," I was told. "Lot of money in those shoes. Lot of money around that kid."

    So many questions surrounded Stephenson for several reasons that many colleges backed away from recruiting him, and he ended up at Cincinnati for a year. Everyone who knew the people in his ear knew he was going pro after one year, regardless of how that year went.

    So I don't put much stock in what he did or didn't do at Cincinnati. That was never the focus of the whole exercise. This - the NBA - was. So let's see what he's got for this level. I'm not saying he's better than Ford or Price at this point. A clear case could be made he's not. I'm saying, given the Pacers circumstances, it's almost a perfect storm of an opportunity to find out what he can do given some real time.

    Think about it. How much buzz would there be if, say in January, the rookie point guard is playing well? Think that wouldn't get a fan base excited?

    Fourth - and this is where it really gets fun - if he flops and flat out can't get it done, fine. Now we know. Or if he's starting to get it but the Pacers are losing, they can say something like, 'Hey, we want him to get experience and we're going to accept the losses. We're not going to yank him in and out the way we did with Rush and Roy Hibbert.'

    Either way, there is an enormous potential benefit to massive losses because if there was ever a year for a team needing a point guard to totally tank it, this is it.

    In the draft next year should be three freshman who look like starting NBA point guards for years to come in Josh Shelby, Kyrie Irving and Brandon Knight. All should be top-10 picks. Shelby already has said he plans to go pro after his one year in college.

    The 6-2 Shelby is going to Kansas, the 6-2 Irving to Duke, the 6-3 Knight to Kentucky. And that's in addition to current collegians such as Connecticut's Kemba Walker, who could play their way up the board.

    Fall into the 2011 lottery and your chances of getting one of those main three should be pretty good. That could be your point guard of the future.

    And it gives you multiple chances in the draft instead of one in the idiotic idea proposed by some that Kentucky freshman John Wall was the guy the Pacers should go after. Wall was going to be the No. 1 pick. The Pacers had no way of getting the No. 1 pick. What did the Pacers and Wall ever have to do with one another? Nothing.

    However, if you fall into the lottery next year with three future starting point guards on the board, your chances of getting one of them are pretty good.

    Then you've got your point guard of the future, plenty of salary cap space, potential additional trade bait in Stephenson and your back-up point guard of the future in Price.

    It's a win-win.

    If Stephenson is good, Pacers fans celebrate, they found their point guard of the future and have a ton of cap space.

    If Stephenson is bad, Pacers fans celebrate, they're in the lottery and have a real chance at Irving, Selby or Knight and a ton of cap space.

    Could make the summer of 2011 pretty good for the Pacers.



    (Mike Wells will be out of the office the week of July 18-24.)
    Last edited by vnzla81; 07-19-2010, 02:37 PM.
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  • Hicks
    Member
    • Jun 2004
    • 53117

    #2
    Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

    *edit* See above; threads merged

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    • vnzla81
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 68179

      #3
      Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • BillS
        Angry Old Poster
        • Mar 2004
        • 21654

        #4
        Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

        I think that since there is an acceptable veteran point guard on the team at this time, this is possible at PG in a way it is not at other positions.

        That said, IF AJ comes back healthy, if a newer guy is going to start at PG I'd want it to be AJ's job to lose.

        Also, if the Pacers are able to trade certain players for a journeyman PG who can start and show AJ and Lance more of the ropes, I'd take that. You can't learn in a vacuum, and - at PG especially - having a veteran player at the position around to give you direct pointers in practice and during games is vital.

        Now let the : begin...
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        • Unclebuck
          Administrator
          • Jan 2004
          • 36200

          #5
          Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

          If Jim O'brien's choice is Ford or Lance (assuming AJ is still recovering from injury, and no other point guard is signed) then I think Jim will give Lance heavy minutes.

          I know many of you think Jim hates rookies (I don't agree with that assertion) but he hates Ford more

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          • Sookie
            Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 8493

            #6
            Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

            Originally posted by Unclebuck
            If Jim O'brien's choice is Ford or Lance (assuming AJ is still recovering from injury, and no other point guard is signed) then I think Jim will give Lance heavy minutes.

            I know many of you think Jim hates rookies (I don't agree with that assertion) but he hates Ford more
            last year,

            Price, second round draft pick rookie, outplayed Ford and Watson in practice. And didn't earn time.

            Out played Ford in the one game before Ford's benching, and didn't earn time (after being promised time.)

            Was the best PG of the three to run JOB's offense (because he's more veristile and a better shooter than Watson, and just better than Ford)

            He clearly outplayed Ford when he got a month of playing time. And yet, when Ford made a couple of threes..Jimmy STILL pulled AJ for Ford.


            So you really think, that Jimmy is going to start Lance. A guy who can't shoot. A guy who isn't a PG right now. A second round draft pick, although not a point guard, in favor of Ford. I don't see it.

            I think if Price is healthy, he'd get the job. As I don't think Jimmy hates Price, and now that AJ is not a rookie, before the injury..if there was no trade, it was probably AJ's spot to lose.

            So personally, I think, if there isn't a trade. TJ will play with Lance getting limited minutes, until AJ's medically cleared to play. Then he'll go with AJ/TJ..until TJ drives him too nuts, and he'll switch to Lance.

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            • crunk-juice
              Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 1731

              #7
              Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

              i agree 1000% with the article.

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              • CableKC
                Member
                • Mar 2005
                • 36687

                #8
                Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

                Originally posted by Sookie
                last year,

                Price, second round draft pick rookie, outplayed Ford and Watson in practice. And didn't earn time.

                Out played Ford in the one game before Ford's benching, and didn't earn time (after being promised time.)

                Was the best PG of the three to run JOB's offense (because he's more veristile and a better shooter than Watson, and just better than Ford)

                He clearly outplayed Ford when he got a month of playing time. And yet, when Ford made a couple of threes..Jimmy STILL pulled AJ for Ford.


                So you really think, that Jimmy is going to start Lance. A guy who can't shoot. A guy who isn't a PG right now. A second round draft pick, although not a point guard, in favor of Ford. I don't see it.

                I think if Price is healthy, he'd get the job. As I don't think Jimmy hates Price, and now that AJ is not a rookie, before the injury..if there was no trade, it was probably AJ's spot to lose.

                So personally, I think, if there isn't a trade. TJ will play with Lance getting limited minutes, until AJ's medically cleared to play. Then he'll go with AJ/TJ..until TJ drives him too nuts, and he'll switch to Lance.
                I hate to agree......but unless we sign a stop-gap PG....we're looking at AJ/TJ/Lance where Lance is on the short end of the stick.
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                • pwee31
                  Release Psycho T
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 7162

                  #9
                  Re: Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future(indystar)

                  If he starts and plays well, and the Pacers play well, he could be an interesting rookie of the year candidate. Has there ever been a 2nd round player as ROY?

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                  • Sookie
                    Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 8493

                    #10
                    Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

                    Originally posted by CableKC
                    I hate to agree......but unless we sign a stop-gap PG....we're looking at AJ/TJ/Lance where Lance is on the short end of the stick.
                    The only issue with the stop gap...is if we'd end up with..

                    stop gap/Price

                    or stop gap/Ford

                    because if Price and Lance ended up on the bench with no minutes...

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                    • bphil
                      Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 562

                      #11
                      Re: Jeff Rabjohns on Lance Stephenson and the PG situation

                      Originally posted by crunk-juice
                      i agree 1000% with the article.
                      Yeah, well I agree 10000000%!

                      Seriously, throw the damn kid in the deep end. If he sinks we get a top 5 pick and if he swims he have our PG. Even JOB can get this one right... right?

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                      • graphic-er
                        I'm on a MAC!
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 12376

                        #12
                        Re: Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future(indystar)

                        I think they are certain going to try and play TJ this season and hope for the best. If anything they need to re-establish that TJ Ford has some trade value if they hope to shop him at the trade deadline.

                        I think you will see AJ on the short end of the stick with Lance being the primary back up. Because Lance will have had a training camp, while price is going to be rehabbing during that time. JOB puts alot of importance on training camp.
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                        • Larry Staverman
                          Flipped Off The Refs
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 522

                          #13
                          Re: Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future(indystar)

                          Originally posted by Larry Staverman

                          I watched the summer league games and what I like about Lance is not only the fact that he has some nice point guard skills but what stood out to me were his intangibles. I just got the feeling that he embraced the challenge of taking over leading the team at the point. It seemed he felt like the point was his best position to play and his job to lose.

                          While a lot of the rookies took a while to adjust he seemed to be ready to play as soon as the 1st game started. I also noticed he wasn’t intimidated or timid in his play at any point.

                          I believe his attitude and confidence built up from playing against older players and being in the spotlight while growing up will allow him to be able to handle a spot in the rotation from day one.

                          I for one hope he is the starter on day one because I see no downside. Best case scenario is he gets better and better and exceeds everyone’s expectation and becomes our point guard of the future. Worst case he struggles and we win 25-30 games and get in better position to draft one of the point guards coming out next year.

                          Where have I heard that before?

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                          • odeez
                            Member
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 3773

                            #14
                            Re: Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future(indystar)

                            I am for giving it a try and see what happens, what do we have to lose? Besides games of course...
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                            • Speed
                              Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 9266

                              #15
                              Re: Why starting Stephenson at PG could be a smart move for the Pacers' future(indystar)

                              I'll say this, I want to do whatever it takes to improve in the future, be future oriented.

                              However, Lance can't be put in a situation where he's in over his head and AJ shouldn't play until he's physically ready. I think we'll all at least agree on the latter.

                              I'm all about baptism by fire, but to make Lance the starter, he needs to be at least close to ready to hold his own or he could revert to bad habits or your returns start to diminish on what you are learning.

                              So all of this talk needs to be based on whether Lance shows he's capable and if AJ shows he can carry any sort of load, minute wise.

                              I'm not worried about Lance being able to handle the spot light, he's been under the microscope most of is life. I'm worried that he learns to play the right way and gets to have realized success based on playing the right way.

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