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  • #91
    Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

    I'm surprised KStat hasn't weighed in yet. If he comes in bad mouthing the trade, then we know it's a good deal.
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    • #92
      Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

      Originally posted by sixthman
      I don't know if the Pacers win any more ball games than they did last year, but the team should be much more fun to watch were Peja and S-Jax on the court.

      I'm wondering how that team does matching up against the Pistons. Are we better?
      Well, against the Pistons I can't imagine Peja being WORSE than Ron was.

      Ron couldn't stop Rip, and neither will Peja. Ron's offense horrendous. I think since Peja's about stroking the 3-ball, he'll at least look somewhat better than Ron did, because Ron just wasn't getting anything in the paint, and that only left his jumpshot, which wasn't good. Peja's is good.

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      • #93
        Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

        Originally posted by Kegboy
        I'm surprised KStat hasn't weighed in yet. If he comes in bad mouthing the trade, then we know it's a good deal.
        And if he says it's a good deal, I can just keep telling myself that too! Woo hoo, win-win for Hicks! e:

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        • #94
          Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

          Originally posted by Hicks
          Well, against the Pistons I can't imagine Peja being WORSE than Ron was.
          The Pistons are the worst matchup for Ron in the NBA. They don't have a high-scoring swingman, they have a speedy 2-guard. The only other comparable matchup was Iverson, and even then Artest could play against Big Puppy.

          So far, Artest has played his best basketball when there's somebody for him to guard. It keeps his game balanced. Tayshaun wasn't much of a scoring threat.

          I expect Artest to improve that, by the way. It's part of his on-court development, which even you have said continues to improve drastically.

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          • #95
            Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

            Originally posted by Hicks
            Originally posted by Kegboy
            I'm surprised KStat hasn't weighed in yet. If he comes in bad mouthing the trade, then we know it's a good deal.
            And if he says it's a good deal, I can just keep telling myself that too! Woo hoo, win-win for Hicks! e:


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            • #96
              Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

              When I first heard of the possibility of getting Peja, I thought back to the old Larry Bird-coached teams.

              Smits
              Davis
              Mullin
              Miller
              Jackson

              I see a lot of parallels with this potential team:

              Foster
              O'neal
              Peja
              Jackson
              Tinsley

              Jamaal Tinsley - Mark Jackson: Very similar styles of play. Tinsley doesn't have all the veteran savvy Jax did, but he's younger and more athletic [can play some D]

              Peja Stojakovic - Reggie Miller: You could also compare the old Reggie to Stephen Jackson. But since Peja is the superior shooter and the better overall player, I'll match him with Reg. A huge outside threat that changes the way defenses play us.

              Stephen Jackson - Chris Mullin: A very good shooter who makes timely plays. Again, Stephen doesn't have the veteran tricks Mully had, but he's younger and more athletic.

              Jeff Foster - Dale Davis: Jeff is nowhere near the physical presence Dale was, but he'll get the rebounds and down-and-dirty points, just like Dale did.

              Jermaine O'neal - Rik Smits: The biggest advantage the new team has over the old one. Jermaine is everything we wished Rik could have been in the post, and he can rebound, run the court, and be an all-star in addition.

              Then we have Bender [Jalen?], Freddie [Best?] and Croshere off the bench. I would be pretty pleased with that team.
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              • #97
                Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                Like Peja would get the same numbers that he got in SacTown .
                I dont believe it, so his scoring will go down here to max 22-23 PPG IMO. That is a differential of about 4 PPG with Ron beying 3 years younger and about to enter his prime not too mention the best perimeter defender in the league.

                Oh and since you, Hicks, like to mention some of the short-comings of Ron in ONE play-offs series in ONE post season, would you be so kind to also list the MULTIPLE number of play-off series in MULTIPLE years in which Peja aka "Mr. Perfect" has dissappeared or played dreadfully? It would seem a little more balanced if you would when you point to Artests short-comings (which certainly exist).

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                Mourning
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                • #98
                  Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                  Originally posted by Snickers
                  When I first heard of the possibility of getting Peja, I thought back to the old Larry Bird-coached teams.

                  Smits
                  Davis
                  Mullin
                  Miller
                  Jackson

                  I see a lot of parallels with this potential team:

                  Foster
                  O'neal
                  Peja
                  Jackson
                  Tinsley

                  Jamaal Tinsley - Mark Jackson: Very similar styles of play. Tinsley doesn't have all the veteran savvy Jax did, but he's younger and more athletic [can play some D]

                  Peja Stojakovic - Reggie Miller: You could also compare the old Reggie to Stephen Jackson. But since Peja is the superior shooter and the better overall player, I'll match him with Reg. A huge outside threat that changes the way defenses play us.

                  Stephen Jackson - Chris Mullin: A very good shooter who makes timely plays. Again, Stephen doesn't have the veteran tricks Mully had, but he's younger and more athletic.

                  Jeff Foster - Dale Davis: Jeff is nowhere near the physical presence Dale was, but he'll get the rebounds and down-and-dirty points, just like Dale did.

                  Jermaine O'neal - Rik Smits: The biggest advantage the new team has over the old one. Jermaine is everything we wished Rik could have been in the post, and he can rebound, run the court, and be an all-star in addition.

                  Then we have Bender [Jalen?], Freddie [Best?] and Croshere off the bench. I would be pretty pleased with that team.
                  I'm already pleased with this team now. The only thing we need IMO is a lot more rebounding. Also I like that team from the '90s, but its not like they were the perfect example to point too either, only an NBA-Finals appearance not the top price.

                  Regards,

                  Mourning
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                  • #99
                    Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                    Originally posted by Mourning
                    I'm already pleased with this team now. The only thing we need IMO is a lot more rebounding. Also I like that team from the '90s, but its not like they were the perfect example to point too either, only an NBA-Finals appearance not the top price.

                    Regards,

                    Mourning
                    The only NBA Finals appearance in team history, so I have to believe they were one of the better Pacers teams in recent history. Certainly not perfect, but few teams are.

                    We could use more rebounding, but rebounds are one of those things you can never have too much of. I thought players who could hit shots, be they perimeter shots, midrange, whatever, at any time were what we needed more of. We had too many games that we lost because of ice-cold shooting, and our defense managed to be just enough to get us by in a number of others.

                    Stephen Jackson may or may not be the scorer we needed. Ron may or may not develop into that player. I, too, am very pleased with the team as it stands, but whatever happens, I've taken the mindset that it's not up to me. And if Ron is to be traded, Peja is a hell of a player to get in return.

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                    • Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                      Mourning, I can only point to ONE series where Ron stunk because his teams haven't been in as many series as Peja's have. Before this year, it was 2 first-round exits for Ron.

                      I think for the Spurs and Pistons, this makes us a better team because Ron has no one to shut down on either of their teams, and Peja is a far superior offensive player.

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                      • Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                        Originally posted by Mourning
                        Like Peja would get the same numbers that he got in SacTown .
                        I dont believe it, so his scoring will go down here to max 22-23 PPG IMO. That is a differential of about 4 PPG with Ron beying 3 years younger and about to enter his prime not too mention the best perimeter defender in the league.
                        You cant just look at how many points a player scores without also looking at how many shots he takes to get those points. Even if Peja scored the same as Ron here he would do it in many fewer shots and that would leave more shots for others(like Jackson) to score with. I'm not sure if I like this trade or not, its hard one to call.



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                        • Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                          Originally posted by tate
                          Originally posted by Mourning
                          Like Peja would get the same numbers that he got in SacTown .
                          I dont believe it, so his scoring will go down here to max 22-23 PPG IMO. That is a differential of about 4 PPG with Ron beying 3 years younger and about to enter his prime not too mention the best perimeter defender in the league.
                          You cant just look at how many points a player scores without also looking at how many shots he takes to get those points. Even if Peja scored the same as Ron here he would do it in many fewer shots and that would leave more shots for others(like Jackson) to score with. I'm not sure if I like this trade or not, its hard one to call.
                          True, I would also like to add ... WHICH system that team plays, because Peja HAD the perfect system for his game. A system pretty alien to what our Pacers play.

                          Regards,

                          Mourning
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                          • Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                            Originally posted by Hicks
                            Mourning, I can only point to ONE series where Ron stunk because his teams haven't been in as many series as Peja's have. Before this year, it was 2 first-round exits for Ron.

                            I think for the Spurs and Pistons, this makes us a better team because Ron has no one to shut down on either of their teams, and Peja is a far superior offensive player.
                            Myabe, on the other hand I see Prince in Detroit as a potential Peja-killer and Ginobilli at SA might also be a tough match up. Remember we dont play the same way Sacramento does. And even IF we were to change it to something more like that (which I wouldnt like) than we wont be even close to as good as they were.

                            The comparison with the Spurs sound nice, but they DID have Robinson as an extra inside and great cutting players. Also they didnt quite reach it this year with only one credible inside player.

                            Regards,

                            Mourning
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                            • Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                              Originally posted by Snickers
                              Originally posted by Mourning
                              I'm already pleased with this team now. The only thing we need IMO is a lot more rebounding. Also I like that team from the '90s, but its not like they were the perfect example to point too either, only an NBA-Finals appearance not the top price.

                              Regards,

                              Mourning
                              The only NBA Finals appearance in team history, so I have to believe they were one of the better Pacers teams in recent history. Certainly not perfect, but few teams are.

                              We could use more rebounding, but rebounds are one of those things you can never have too much of. I thought players who could hit shots, be they perimeter shots, midrange, whatever, at any time were what we needed more of. We had too many games that we lost because of ice-cold shooting, and our defense managed to be just enough to get us by in a number of others.

                              Stephen Jackson may or may not be the scorer we needed. Ron may or may not develop into that player. I, too, am very pleased with the team as it stands, but whatever happens, I've taken the mindset that it's not up to me. And if Ron is to be traded, Peja is a hell of a player to get in return.
                              I know what you are saying, and I liked our team a lot too. However, that team was also old when they did reach the finals (indeed the furthest any Indy team so far has gone) and was dismantled at the postseason that followed.
                              What that team didnt manage though was 61 wins and an NBA-best record at the end of a season.

                              Regards,

                              Mourning
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                              • Re: Peja apparently wants out of Sac-town

                                "Mourning, I can only point to ONE series where Ron stunk because his teams haven't been in as many series as Peja's have. Before this year, it was 2 first-round exits for Ron."

                                Yeah, so This doesnt exactly point in Peja's direction very favorably, except that the team he has played on was just better. And during the regular he plays GREAT, really, but when the play-offs begin he "stinks" on a regular basis. Ron should atleast get the advantage on not having done that yet, becuase his team didnt get the chance on succesfull multiple play-off series.
                                Atleast in my opinion.

                                Regards,

                                Mourning
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