The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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  • No player movement-that's fine

    Is it terrible that the pacers will go into the season with the team as it now stands. Not to me.

    Players who are backups and always will be are getting 6M/year. This summer is insane in that teams have money to spend and next year is our chance to come out of this much better.

    Between TJ, AJ, and Lance we can have some semblance of PG play that will be adequate. TJ for all the criticism has to play within the insane JOB system in his contract year or else he has no chance to find a new team next year that will pay more than dirt. TJ understands this.

    We are ok at SG with Rush, Jones, and George. I would look forward to seeing Granger and George on the floor together. Two guys who like to shoot and one can go to the basket. George is the anti-Rush. We'll see how that works.

    Danny has Sf locked up with Dun and George behind him.

    Murphy will also give his best -contract year-and will be a double-double guy. The big unknown is whether Hans can play and contribute. McRob should be good for 5-10 minutes.

    Hibbert is the center with Foster and Rolle who should displace Jones at the C. Jones is probably going to be this year's Diener.

    This season will tell who among the players with less than 2 years experience is a keeper and who is gone. This may not be our best season but it can be interesting to watch seven guys to see whether they have futures in Indy.

  • #2
    Re: No player movement-that's fine

    I'm with you on this. If there was a PG that I thought would be a good long-term option that didn't cost us an arm and a leg.....I'd be cool with acquiring him. Many are okay with acquiring Sessions....I'm not entirely on board with that.....but if all it costs is an Expiring contract....I'll live with it ( begrudgingly ). But as many have surmised....the likely cost is that the TWolves/Kahn will ask for some asset back. At this point, we can't afford to give up any of our assets. For me, Sessions isn't good enough for me to consider taking him on while giving up an asset.

    If that's the case....I'm cool with doing little to nothing while exploring deals until February 2011 to improve the Team while ( likely ) taking on long-term contracts that only make sense for us in the long-term.

    As I mentioned in another thread....we ( as fans ) are at the tail-end ( proverbially and literally ) of this 3 year plan. Given the very limited prospects that we have of improving this Team....I'd rather sit on as many of our Expiring Contracts as we can then make a huge move...just to make a huge move. I want them to make "Smart" moves...not "Dumb" moves.

    I'm perfectly fine with seeing what a TJ/Lance/AJ/BRush/George/Granger/Dunleavy/Inferno/Murphy/Hibbert/Foster/McRoberts/Rolle/Hansbrough lineup can do. The problem is that IMHO, I don't think that Bird will be content with that lineup.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


    • #3
      Re: No player movement-that's fine

      Speakout4, I tend to agree with everything you said. I think with George and Lance we have something we have been missing, in that we have guys who will go to the rim and draw fouls. I like Danny a lot but he should be doing that more than he does. Also Rush could be another guy like that if he would just do it. If mike and tyler are healthy then add in Mcbob who I think is better than most people give him credit for, then I think we could really surprise some people.

      If everyone stays healthy I think we could win 48 games.
      Good is the enemy of Great

      We're changing the identity of our basketball team -- dramatically. We're a power post team -- a blood-and-guts, old-school, smash-mouth team that plays with size, strength, speed and athleticism. We attack the basket. . . . This is the new identity of our team. It was a great effort. I'm very proud of our guys."
      -- Frank Vogel.


      • #4
        Re: No player movement-that's fine

        Originally posted by colts19 View Post
        If everyone stays healthy I think we could win 48 games.
        Ever the optimist, I see.

        With this lineup, we'd be lucky to get close to the same record we had last season.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


        • #5
          Re: No player movement-that's fine

          I pretty much agree. No need to sign a backup.

          I'd rather watch Stephenson backup TJ, until AJ gets back. (then Lance can back up AJ)

          Heck, we shouldn't do anything except let all these contract expire.

          Having a good core of young talent with the freedom of large capspace is more valueble than a bunch of backups locked in for years. We should know.


          • #6
            Re: No player movement-that's fine

            I completely agree as well.

            Going into the season the way we are.

            Bad? No
            Frustrating? Yes

            But honestly unless it's Collison or Flynn, I don't really want to make a move. It's just that as Pacer fans, it's always depressing to watch everyone else wheel and deal while we stand pat.
            Stop quoting people I have on ignore!


            • #7
              Re: No player movement-that's fine

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              Ever the optimist, I see.

              With this lineup, we'd be lucky to get close to the same record we had last season.
              I disagree. I think Granger has shown that when he is healthy, he can put the team on his back and lead us to some very good victories against top teams. I think if everyone was healthy, we could surprise a lot of people.

              That being said, Jim O'Brien is the coach and does not use most of the players in the right way. If we had a good coach, I think we have enough talent that we could surprise a lot of people, as it stands now, we will be in the lottery next year.


              • #8
                Re: No player movement-that's fine

                how is this team any worse than last years? i dont think surpassing last years win total will be too much of an issue.


                • #9
                  Re: No player movement-that's fine

                  I like the idea of just standing pat right now if these crazy contracts are going to keep on being thrown at average players. If our core players can stay healthy for a major part of the season and our rooks (including Hans there) can play as expected of them we could surprise some people and get to .500 or a little better this season.


                  • #10
                    Re: No player movement-that's fine

                    Well as painful as it is, maybe it is the best policy. I don't like it, but maybe this is the best way, Bird's comments of late is that they want a young PG that can grow with the core. At this point I have no idea who that would be. We haven't been in the rumor mill much of late, so I am lost as to what is going to go down in terms a player coming in via a trade.
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                    • #11
                      Re: No player movement-that's fine

                      Originally posted by odeez View Post
                      ... Bird's comments of late is that they want a young PG that can grow with the core.
                      Or a veteran PG to mix in with all the youngins.

                      Originally posted by odeez View Post
                      We haven't been in the rumor mill much of late, so I am lost as to what is going to go down in terms a player coming in via a trade.
                      Call me a dreamer, but I continue to hope that Larry's working on a more ambitious acquisition. His words "It's time to win" may have been a clue that he's up to something big. After all, he did mention (earlier in the year) Chris Paul as his dream acquisition....
                      Last edited by DrFife; 07-14-2010, 08:57 PM.

                      "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                      - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.


                      • #12
                        Re: No player movement-that's fine

                        It's frustrating because so many other teams, particularly the East, got better this offseason. I'd really like to see the Pacers get better too...
                        Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.


                        • #13
                          Re: No player movement-that's fine

                          Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                          It's frustrating because so many other teams, particularly the East, got better this offseason.

                          I really don't see how replacing Earl Watson with a 19-year-old shooting guard makes us better.

                          Plus, no Head this year.
                          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!


                          • #14
                            Re: No player movement-that's fine

                            Originally posted by Kegboy View Post

                            I really don't see how replacing Earl Watson with a 19-year-old shooting guard makes us better.

                            Plus, no Head this year.
                            Tend to agree. Watson may not have been the happiest PG we've ever had, but he proved willing to play within JOB's system.

                            As for your other point, well you have my sympathies.


                            • #15
                              Re: No player movement-that's fine

                              Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                              Or a veteran PG to mix in with all the youngins.

                              Call me a dreamer, but I continue to hope that Larry's working on a more ambitious acquisition. His words "It's time to win" may have been a clue that he's up to something big. After all, he did mention (earlier in the year) Chris Paul as his dream acquisition....
                              interesting, i never heard Bird state Paul was his dream acquisition. this might be one issue i have with Bird, he needs to play it closer to the vest on some things, eg. the tinsley debacle.

                              either way, dont see Paul coming here, i would offer every expiring and take back okafor, posey, songalia, and potentially offer 2 protected draft picks, but even then, the gamble is would paul stay. if no's does that, we keep the assets, and still would have possibly enough wiggle room to sign hoford.

                              then... my god would would be contending..

                              i think even tho indy may not be the most attractive destination, if you had paul and granger, horford would at least consider it. its all bout winning.