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  • #46
    Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    I guess I'd need to know about the context for his "barking" at Phil. Was it a legit reason as to why he was "barking" at Phil?

    or

    Is this a regular occurance?

    My initial thought when I heard this is that Farmar has some balls to bark at Phil if you ask me. The question is why, if it happens all the time or not and if he's going to be worth the likely $4-5 mil a year 2-3 year contract that Farmar is likely going to command.

    For me, given the options that we have to get a PG this year:

    1 ) Trade for Collison+Okafor
    2 ) Sign Farmar to a $4-5 mil a year / 2-3 year contract
    3 ) Sign a 1-year Vet PG that no one wants for cheap that could do his best impression of Watson.

    Am I missing anything?

    If TPTB are thinking that they MUST get a long-term PG option this season....then Collison+Okafor or Farmar must be the options to choose. But if they continue to stick to their "one year contract offer" thinking while preserving their Capspace, then the option is to sign a cheapie Vet PG that no one wants.

    IMHO...the best option is to kick the "proverbial PG can" down the road and either go with signing Farmar to a $4-5 mil a year contract for 2 years ( with 3rd year Team Option ) with the 1-year PG rental as the fall back and Collison+Okafor as a "don't even consider it" option ( unless the Hornets bend and change it to Collison+Posey for Foster+Solo ).

    I don't mind trying Farmar while giving him the 2 year guaranteed / 3rd year Team Option contract and $4-5 mil a year contract maybe more than most of us would want to pay for Farmar....but I don't see Farmar going for a 1 year deal and ( unfortunately ) $4-5 mil is the starting point for the type of PG that Farmar is ( given that solid career backup PGs like Blake got something similiar ) on the open market.

    There is a reason why the Lakers let Farmar go, and picked up Blake. They could have had Farmar for 4 mil a year they are paying Blake. Yeah, I know Farmar wanted out, but the Lakers had 3 years invested in him and didn't have to let him go. I feel they let him go, b/c they feel he's not starter material for whatever reason. Phil Jackson had his reasons, I'm not a big Phil Jackson fan, but in this case I'd be inclined to go with his/Lakers decision of not keeping Farmar.

    I don't see Farmar is worth 4-5 mil a year, closer to 2.5 -3 mil year on a 3 year deal of 1st year guaranteed, 2nd year partial guaranteed, and 3rd year a Team Option. I'm still not interested in him, and even more so not interested in over paying for him.

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    • #47
      Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
      There is a reason why the Lakers let Farmar go, and picked up Blake. They could have had Farmar for 4 mil a year they are paying Blake. Yeah, I know Farmar wanted out, but the Lakers had 3 years invested in him and didn't have to let him go. I feel they let him go, b/c they feel he's not starter material for whatever reason. Phil Jackson had his reasons, I'm not a big Phil Jackson fan, but in this case I'd be inclined to go with his/Lakers decision of not keeping Farmar.

      I don't see Farmar is worth 4-5 mil a year, closer to 2.5 -3 mil year on a 3 year deal of 1st year guaranteed, 2nd year partial guaranteed, and 3rd year a Team Option. I'm still not interested in him, and even more so not interested in over paying for him.
      this is true, but do you think this could also be because of the triangle offense? perhaps farmar would do better in a more traditional lineup?
      i know farmar himself said he never got comfortable in the triangle offense.
      he's also really young still!
      Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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      • #48
        Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

        Originally posted by BornReady View Post
        this is true, but do you think this could also be because of the triangle offense? perhaps farmar would do better in a more traditional lineup?
        i know farmar himself said he never got comfortable in the triangle offense.
        he's also really young still!
        Part of me thinks that the specific offense affecting a player's stats is a little bit overrated. Pace sure. Besides, our offense counts on the point to get rid of teh ball early and hit an open shot....isn't that a similar role to point in the triangle?
        Last edited by Ozwalt72; 07-10-2010, 03:26 PM. Reason: affecting...
        "man, PG has been really good."

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        • #49
          Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

          Still say they should give Livingston a shot if they can't find what they want. He's cheap, and has a chip on his shoulder.

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          • #50
            Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

            I was wondering when I first heard the Farmar rumors if that wasn't a smokescreen. I know we need a PG and he is an option to consider, but maybe we want a team with a need at PG to go after him first. That leaves our options that much cheaper.

            I like Livingston and CJ Watson as options for us. A one year deal to prove your worth with guaranteed playing time is a nice package to offer a player looking at a near-minimum deal anyway. I would try to get the second year fully unguaranteed if I was negotiating the deal, because it is about playing time for them anyway and it gives us the option if they play well.
            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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            • #51
              Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

              I'm at the point that if we can't reasonable trade for Collison we give the keys to Stephenson and just let him learn this year. I'm sure he would have his ups and downs but a year of seasoning would go a long way toward the future. If it doesn't work we could always trade an expiring in Feb for a solid PG. We would still have some money next summer to bring in a talent. I've sat through 5 years of mediocrity, I can make it one more!
              "He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
              Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)

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              • #52
                Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                I still want the Pacers to make a run at Baron Davis my wish list for a sign and trade for a point guard is this:

                Baron Davis
                Jose Calderon
                Tony Parker
                Chris Paul
                Collison
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • #53
                  Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                  Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                  this is true, but do you think this could also be because of the triangle offense? perhaps farmar would do better in a more traditional lineup?
                  i know farmar himself said he never got comfortable in the triangle offense.
                  he's also really young still!

                  Sure, it's possible. The real question is if Herb thinks he's worth 4-5 mil a year for 3 years of his money to chance the problem Farmar couldn't get comfortable in the triangle. If the triangle isn't Farmar problem, then Herb has more money wrapped up in another PG that can't produce. That's Ford's 8.5 mil, Tinsley's 5 + mil, and then Farmar's 4-5 mil this coming season in salary.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                    Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
                    Veteran, unrestricted free agent point guards that are willing passers and good three-point shooters:

                    Chris Quinn
                    Eddie House
                    Flip Murray
                    Chucky Atkins
                    Travis Diener
                    Luke Ridnour
                    Carlos Arroyo
                    Anthony Johnson
                    Jason Williams
                    CJ Watson
                    As much as I hate to say it. T.J. Ford is a better PG than anyone on this list. I rather play Jeff Foster at point than give any of these guys more than the minimum for 1 year.
                    “It is what we learn after we know it all that really counts” - John Wooden

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                    • #55
                      Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      I still want the Pacers to make a run at Baron Davis my wish list for a sign and trade for a point guard is this:

                      Baron Davis
                      Jose Calderon
                      Tony Parker
                      Chris Paul
                      Collison

                      Baron Davis is a "13 mil a year has been" with a contract for 3 years. The Clippers would love to trade/get rid of Davis.

                      Calderon isn't even the best PG on his team and is paid 2X as much as the better PG on that team.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                        Baron Davis is a "13 mil a year has been" with a contract for 3 years. The Clippers would love to trade/get rid of Davis.

                        Calderon isn't even the best PG on his team and is paid 2X as much as the better PG on that team.
                        Is B.Griffen a filler in this deal?
                        He'd have to be (or EG Jr) if I'm taking BD!
                        "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
                        (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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                        • #57
                          Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                          Justin Tyme;1034806]Baron Davis is a "13 mil a year has been" with a contract for 3 years. The Clippers would love to trade/get rid of Davis.
                          a has been for 13mil a year? what?

                          Baron Davis
                          2009-10 Statistics
                          PPG 15.3 RPG 3.50 APG 8.0

                          Calderon isn't even the best PG on his team and is paid 2X as much as the better PG on that team
                          He is the best point guard on his team, like I said before he was hurt most of the year not counting that most of his stats when down because he was playing with the ball hog of Hedo.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • #58
                            Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            Sure, it's possible. The real question is if Herb thinks he's worth 4-5 mil a year for 3 years of his money to chance the problem Farmar couldn't get comfortable in the triangle. If the triangle isn't Farmar problem, then Herb has more money wrapped up in another PG that can't produce. That's Ford's 8.5 mil, Tinsley's 5 + mil, and then Farmar's 4-5 mil this coming season in salary.
                            I'm still thinking $10mil for 3 years.
                            This space for rent.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                              Farmar I guarantee you signs with Miami for whatever they give him.
                              "He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
                              Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)

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                              • #60
                                Re: Star> Pacers' work in free agency just beginning

                                Originally posted by aceace View Post
                                Farmar I guarantee you signs with Miami for whatever they give him.
                                I'd think that in order to develop beyond the 'stand in he corner and wait for the Superstar player to pass it to you' role that he has filled in LA, that he'd likely consider avoiding a similar ( if not a worse x3 ) situation in Miami. Besides, Farmar is going to be looking for a paycheck.....not chase a ring. The Heat can offer the latter but not the former. If Bird is dead set on acquiring the best PG available, they'll reconsider that "1 year deal only" option for Farmar and offer him a 2 year deal. My guess is that they won't.
                                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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