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What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

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  • #61
    Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

    I think it is clear that a winning team that no one connects with long-term isn't enough to sustain a franchise.

    Very few cities are lucky enough to have a franchise that wins all the time. When you cycle toward losing, as is inevitable for most teams, you need to have fans with a connection to the team, not just to the W-L record.

    I think ALL fans want a winning team, so that really should go without saying.I think what Indiana fans want is a winning team that they can connect to and like. That can mean playing hard and as a team, it can mean being personable and a fan favorite despite talent level, it can mean a lot of things that must be present over and above a winning record.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • #62
      Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

      Playoffs, New Coach, a PG, and that NBA 2K11 will be the best basketball videogame this year.


      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      • #63
        Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

        One thing I should add to my post though. I also really enjoy the process. The process of seeing a team grow, seeing a young player get better and better. I enjoy seeing a team being put together, going through some struggles. I also don't expect the Pacers to win every year. I loved 1994-2000 even though they didn't win a championship. I'll be thrilled when we get back to that level.

        My point is just because the Pacers will not win a championship next season and likely will win 35 games or so, that doesn't mean i am any less a fan.

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        • #64
          Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

          I want a coach and mgmt that acknowledge the realities on the court rather than BSing us and coming up with excuses. I want much smarter drafting, though I can't be proven right or wrong on that for 2-3 more years.

          Over the last 2 years I've been most upset by the poor investment of minutes into the core players expected to still be with the Pacers 2-3 years from now. There's never been a good reason for Roy to play less than Rasho (or Rasho not to have been bought out in fact), or Rush to sit for the entire month of Dun's return, or AJ to be benched after they checked him out and liked what they saw, and so on.

          I want AJ, Roy, Rush, and Josh all playing 2500 minutes (I'll take Josh at 1700, far better than 300-400). I want to see Troy play no more than 20-25 per game, Dun to play no more than 15 per game. I want to see the starting PGs only play 48-55 minutes total per game, not the 75 or so of the Jack/Ford and Watson/Ford/Head/Price years. I want to see Josh as the rebounding, physical inside PF, not Troy as the "spread" PF (as in spreads the Pacers defense so opponents can walk to the rim).

          I'd like to see a coach that could make all that happen, but if JOB would do it then I could live with him. However I'd also like to see an offensive scheme that was just a bit more complex and challenging for defenses to oppose.

          In short I wanted to see a REBUILDING PROCESS, but that has yet to begin. The JO trade was the first and final step taken. Tinsley wouldn't have gone were it not for behavior issues that finally forced it (btw, I like how Rick was thrown under the bus for Tins but then Bird stood up for JOB and sat Tins out for good).


          Also I don't care for the FA market because of bad prices and lack of certainty. The Pacers need to trade the expiring deals for known players and/or picks by the trade deadline. That's the high point of their value. They have zero value once they expire and don't assure you of any returning player, period.
          Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 06-30-2010, 01:05 PM.

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          • #65
            Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

            Originally posted by IU_sears View Post
            We want a Soprano's reunion show with Obie playing Paulie Walnuts.
            How 'bout we go the other direction and get Paulie Walnuts to coach the team?
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #66
              Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

              The guy who never gets any blame is Rick Carlisle, who was/is soft like doctors cotton. The fact that your two best players are arguing over who's team it is during the ECF's shows he had no control over his own squad. He's no Phil Jackson when it comes to handling personalities.
              Really? Let's just stamp that in cement and make it permanent first.

              Good, now then, how many AS seasons has Ron had? How many DPOY wins does Ron have? And what was his flagrant foul/behavior record like the year prior to that AS and DPOY season?

              Yes, if only Rick could manage his personality as well as Phil did all season as Ron took horrible shot after horrible shot and continued to behave in his weird-a** ways. Ron got late playoff redemption, a couple of moments and games to make the rest be forgotten, but it wasn't a shining season for him. Neither was his time in Houston, neither was his time in Sacto.

              His best, most controlled season came under Carlisle.

              And Jack loved playing for Rick and apparently remains pretty close to him.


              Calm <> soft, this is what Bird and Indy fans failed to realize. How many quality games did JOB get from Tinsley? How many quality games did Memphis get from Tinsley? And yet the coach Tins' hated somehow got a few good seasons from him. Tins just didn't like paying the cost of a lower APG value, but I'd say 1-2 months of doghouse bench when Rick first got here wasn't exactly soft. He sent a message that seemed to take, at least that year. And he did it without openly throwing Tins under the bus in the press.


              Rick is non-emotional. When Reggie hit the shot vs Chicago they showed Bird and his non-emotional, this-was-expected attitude and it was lauded all across Indiana. Rick was far more in control post-brawl than flip-out Larry Brown or just about anyone else involved. This was a big part of how that team maintained, and in fact Tinsley was a central figure in the games that followed the brawl.

              BIRD is the one who didn't handed Shawne, who chose him originally, who showed up at court and apologized for Shawne not showing up and then continued to let him linger with the team till Shawne kept up the issues even more. Larry let Harrison continue his behavior for a long time as well. Larry dumped Rick in favor of Tinsley and let Tinsley continue his behavior for another half season with a new coach when it should have been clear that the coach wasn't the issue.

              Bad players were moved, Rick was fired, and yet the team kept having issues. So to me if there is a "soft" finger it should be aimed at Larry, who doesn't really seem to have control of the situation ever.

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              • #67
                Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                Really? Let's just stamp that in cement and make it permanent first.

                Good, now then, how many AS seasons has Ron had? How many DPOY wins does Ron have? And what was his flagrant foul/behavior record like the year prior to that AS and DPOY season?

                Yes, if only Rick could manage his personality as well as Phil did all season as Ron took horrible shot after horrible shot and continued to behave in his weird-a** ways. Ron got late playoff redemption, a couple of moments and games to make the rest be forgotten, but it wasn't a shining season for him. Neither was his time in Houston, neither was his time in Sacto.

                His best, most controlled season came under Carlisle.

                And Jack loved playing for Rick and apparently remains pretty close to him.


                Calm <> soft, this is what Bird and Indy fans failed to realize. How many quality games did JOB get from Tinsley? How many quality games did Memphis get from Tinsley? And yet the coach Tins' hated somehow got a few good seasons from him. Tins just didn't like paying the cost of a lower APG value, but I'd say 1-2 months of doghouse bench when Rick first got here wasn't exactly soft. He sent a message that seemed to take, at least that year. And he did it without openly throwing Tins under the bus in the press.


                Rick is non-emotional. When Reggie hit the shot vs Chicago they showed Bird and his non-emotional, this-was-expected attitude and it was lauded all across Indiana. Rick was far more in control post-brawl than flip-out Larry Brown or just about anyone else involved. This was a big part of how that team maintained, and in fact Tinsley was a central figure in the games that followed the brawl.

                BIRD is the one who didn't handed Shawne, who chose him originally, who showed up at court and apologized for Shawne not showing up and then continued to let him linger with the team till Shawne kept up the issues even more. Larry let Harrison continue his behavior for a long time as well. Larry dumped Rick in favor of Tinsley and let Tinsley continue his behavior for another half season with a new coach when it should have been clear that the coach wasn't the issue.

                Bad players were moved, Rick was fired, and yet the team kept having issues. So to me if there is a "soft" finger it should be aimed at Larry, who doesn't really seem to have control of the situation ever.
                Excellent post. Although I am sure someone will criticize it even though the Pacers are and have been a mess in recent memory. Saying anything anti-Bird is sacreligious on these boards.

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                • #68
                  Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                  I only speak for myself but assume many Hoosiers agree with me.

                  1. A young point guard with promise.

                  2. A new coach.

                  3. A GM with a better poker face.

                  4. A team leader with a near larger than life personality. ( like Reggie)

                  5. Less vanilla players/personalities and by that I mean bland and nothing else.

                  I don't think many give a **** about any player on this team including Danny Granger. Which makes none of them untouchable.
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                  • #69
                    Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                    I want to know when Ricky Rubio came into the picture.

                    But seriously I want to Pacers to decide if they want to be good or bad this season, I am tired of horrible seasons to start out which make sure that we don't get into the playoffs, and then the good season at the end to make sure that we are not picking in the early lottery.

                    I want a team that is exciting and one that can fill up the Fieldhouse, games there now days just seem boring.

                    I want a Coach that meshes with the players and excites them about getting better.

                    I want them to take a chance on potential and younger players in the draft.(check mark)

                    Finally I want a team that likes playing with each other, and can bring back that Pacer spirit back to Indy, I think we all miss the old days when we always had teams who could compete for championships....
                    Why so SERIOUS

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                    • #70
                      Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                      it is interesting the different ways everyone is anwering the question

                      Some are trying to answer for all Indiana fans

                      Some are answering for themselves in very broad terms, longterm .

                      Others are being very specific: new coach, new point guard......
                      Last edited by Unclebuck; 06-30-2010, 03:48 PM.

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                      • #71
                        Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                        Originally posted by granger33 View Post
                        What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?
                        Free beer.
                        "man, PG has been really good."

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                        • #72
                          Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          Sure if I could become very good friends with some of the players, that would be fun to be on the inside,
                          I don't know about getting on the inside through getting to be friends with any players but I'd think your odds of buddying up to Jim O'Brien and being friends with him would be extremely high.
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #73
                            Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                            I want the Pacers to win. That drives all of my criticism of the coach and TPTB. On that point, I want a coach and front office that REQUIRES and VALUES defense over offense, or at least make them equally important.

                            As far as Indiana fans as a whole? I think most are so out of touch with the team, the Pacers are at minor league / Indians level.

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                            • #74
                              Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              I don't know about getting on the inside through getting to be friends with any players but I'd think your odds of buddying up to Jim O'Brien and being friends with him would be extremely high.
                              Some people think I am Jim O'Brien or at the very least a relative or good friend

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                              • #75
                                Re: What do Indiana Fans Actually Want?

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                it is interesting the different ways everyone is anwering the question

                                Some are trying to answer for Indiana fans

                                Some are answering for themselves in very broad terms.

                                Others are being very specific
                                Yeah my thing is that I can only answer for myself, especially seeing that the responses are so different, not sure you can combine those into one. Only thing that you can say about all of them is that we want something in addition to what we currently have...
                                Why so SERIOUS

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