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That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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  • #631
    Re: Drafting Game

    Roaming Gnome
    C --- Shaquille O'Neal 93-94 - Diekembe Mutombo 94-95
    F --- Jerry Lucas 64-65 - Karl Malone 89-90 - Dennis Rodman 91-92 - Cedric Maxwell 78-79 G --- Tim Hardaway 90-91 - Jeff Hornacek 91-92 - Don Buse 75-76

    Burnzone
    C --- Wilt Chamberline 61-62 - George Mikan 51-52
    F --- Alex English 82-83 - John Havlicek 70-71 - Marvin Barnes 74-75
    G --- Pete Maravich 76-77 - Dave Bing 67-68 - Gail Goodrich - Lenny Wilkens 68-69

    Louisville Lip
    C --- Bill Walton 76-77 - Caldwell Jones 74-75
    F --- Dan Issel 70-71 - Connie Hawkins 67-68 - John Brisker 70-71 - Jack Twyman 59-60
    G --- Oscar Robertson 61-62 - Sleepy Floyd 86-87 - Penny Hardaway 95-96 - Mitch Richmond 90-91

    Sycamore Ken
    C --- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 71-72 - Clyde Lovellette 57-58
    F --- Charles Barkley 87-88 - Kevin McHale 86-87 - Roger Brown 69-70 - Larry Johnson 92-93
    G --- Jimmy Jones 68-69 - Dale Ellis - Byron Scott 87-88 - Dana Barros 94-95

    Jose Slaughter
    C --- Zelmo Beaty 70-71 - Mel Daniels 70-71
    F --- Rick Barry 68-69 - Kiki Vandeweghe 83-84 - Otis Thorpe 91-92 - Anthony Mason 96-97
    G --- Magic Johnson 88-89 - Tracy McGrady 02-03 - Mark Price 88-89 - Drazen Petrovic 92-93

    Joel
    C --- Dave Cowens 72-73 - Wes Unseld 69-70
    F --- Larry Bird 84-85 - Chris Webber 00-01 - Baily Howell 60-61 - Terry Dischinger - 62-63
    G --- Fat Lever 88-89 - George Gervin 79-80 - Lou Hudson 72-73 - Norm Van Lier 70-71

    I love the Pacers
    C --- Artis Gilmore 71-72 - Jeff Ruland 83-84
    F --- Adrian Dantley 81-82 - Rudy Tomjanovich 73-74 - Elton Brand 01-02 - Detlef Schrempf 94-95
    G --- Michael Jordan 87-88 - David Thompson 77-78 - Maurice Cheeks 85-86 - Norm Nixon 78-79

    MSA2CF
    C --- David Robinson 93-94 - Brad Daugherty 91-92
    F --- Spencer Haywood 69-70 - Clark Kellogg 82-83 - Ron Artest 03-04 - PF Horace Grant 91-92
    G --- Mark Jackson 88-89 - Michael Ray Richardson 80-81 - Jerry Sloan 70-71 - Alvin Robertson 87-88

    Able
    C --- Hakeem Olajuwon 92-93 - Rik Smits 89-90
    F --- Bob Pettit 61-62 - Elvin Hayes 69-70 - Jermaine O'Neal 02-03 - Marques Johnson 78-79
    G --- Jason Kidd 98-99 - Alan Iverson 02-03 - Vince Carter 00-01

    Skipper Z
    C --- Bob Lanier 73-74 - Alonzo Mourning 99-00
    F --- Kevin Garnett 03-04 - Scottie Pippen 94-95 - Glen Rice 96-97 - Larry Nance 91-92
    G --- Kobe Bryant 02-03 - John Stockton 91-92 - Ray Allen 00-01 - Bill Melchionni 71-72

    Hicks
    C --- Walt Bellamy 61-62 - Maurice Stokes 57-58
    F --- George McGinnis 74-75 - Dolph Schayes 57-58 - Truck Robinson 77-78 - Willie Wise 71-72
    G --- Gary Payton 99-00 - Charlie Scott 71-72 - Kevin Porter 78-79 - Hal Greer 63-64

    Hoop
    C --- Nate Thurmond 67-68 - Robert Parrish 88-89
    F --- Elgin Baylor 60-61 - Grant Hill 96-97 - Billy Knight 75-76 - Buck Williams
    G --- Kevin Johnson 88-89 - Clyde Drexler 88-89 - Michael Adams 90-91 - Calvin Murphy 75-76

    Pig Nash
    C --- Bob McAdoo 74-75 - Rich Kelley 78-79
    F --- Dominique Wilkins 85-86 - Mark Aguirre 83-84 - Terry Cummings 82-83 - Ralph Sampson 83-84
    G --- Isiah Thomas 84-85 - Walt Frazier 71-72 - World B. Free 79-80 - Michael Finley 99-00

    Dipperdunk
    C --- Moses Malone 81-82 - Willis Reed 69-70
    F --- Julius Erving 72-73 - Tim Duncan 01-02 - James Worthy 89-90 - Bobby Jones 75-76
    G --- Bob Cousey 56-57 - Sidney Moncrief 82-83 - Earl "The Pearl" Monroe 67-68 - Andrew Toney 83-84

    Magic Rat
    C --- Patrick Ewing 89-90 - Sam Lacey 74-75
    F --- Bernard King 84-85 - Shawn Kemp 95-96 - Chris Mullin 90-91 - Ben Wallace 01-02
    G --- Jerry West 69-70 - Reggie Miller 89-90 - Terry Porter 87-88 - Bobby Leonard 61-62

    Rim Bender
    C --- Bill Russell 61-62 - Neil Johnston 54-55
    F --- Dirk Nowitzki 02-03 - Billy Cunningham 69-70 - Paul Pierce 00-01 - Sidney Wicks 72-73
    G --- Nate "Tiny" Archibald 72-73 - Richie Guerin 61-62 - Muggsy Bogues 93-94 - Otis Birdsong 80-81

    Round 10

    152. Able


    159. Burnzone
    160. Roaming Gnome

    Bonus Round 11

    161. Able

    Following is an alphabetized list of the players taken so far.

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Michael Adams
    Ray Allen
    Mark Aguirre
    Nate "Tiny" Archibald
    Ron Artest
    Charles Barkley
    Marvin Barnes
    Dana Barros
    Rick Barry
    Elgin Baylor
    Zelmo Beaty
    Walt Bellamy
    Dave Bing
    Larry Bird
    Otis Birdsong
    Muggsy Bogues
    Elton Brand
    John Brisker
    Roger Brown
    Kobe Bryant
    Don Buse
    Vince Carter
    Wilt Chamberline
    Maurice Cheeks
    Bob Cousey
    Dave Cowens
    Terry Cummings
    Billy Cunningham
    Mel Daniels
    Adrian Dantley
    Brad Daugherty
    Terry Dischinger
    Clyde Drexler
    Tim Duncan
    Dale Ellis
    Alex English
    Julius Erving
    Patrick Ewing
    Michael Finley
    Sleepy Floyd
    Walt Frazier
    World B. Free
    Kevin Garnett
    George Gervin
    Artis Gilmore
    Gail Goodrich
    Horace Grant
    Hal Greer
    Richie Guerin
    Penny Hardaway
    Tim Hardaway
    John Havlicek
    Connie Hawkins
    Elvin Hayes
    Spencer Haywood
    Grant Hill
    Jeff Hornacek
    Baily Howell
    Lou Hudson
    Dan Issel
    Alan Iverson
    Mark Jackson
    Kevin Johnson
    Larry Johnson
    Magic Johnson
    Marques Johnson
    Neil Johnston
    Bobby Jones
    Caldwell Jones
    Jimmy Jones
    Michael Jordan
    Rich Kelley
    Clark Kellogg
    Shawn Kemp
    Jason Kidd
    Bernard King
    Billy Knight
    Sam Lacey
    Bob Lanier
    Bobby Leonard
    Fat Lever
    Clyde Lovellette
    Jerry Lucas
    Karl Malone
    Moses Malone
    Pete Maravich
    Anthony Mason
    Cedric Maxwell
    Bob McAdoo
    George McGinnis
    Tracy McGrady
    Kevin McHale
    George Mikan
    Bill Melchionni
    Reggie Miller
    Sidney Moncrief
    Earl Monroe
    Alonzo Mourning
    Chris Mullin
    Calvin Murphy
    Diekembe Mutombo
    Larry Nance
    Norm Nixon
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Hakeem Olajuwon
    Jermaine O'Neal
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Robert Parrish
    Gary Payton
    Drazen Petrovic
    Bob Pettit
    Paul Pierce
    Sottie Pippen
    Kevin Porter
    Terry Porter
    Mark Price
    Willis Reed
    Glen Rice
    Michael Ray Richardson
    Mitch Richmond
    Alvin Robertson
    Oscar Robertson
    David Robinson
    Truck Robinson
    Dennis Rodman
    Jeff Ruland
    Bill Russell
    Ralph Sampson
    Dolph Schayes
    Detlef Schrempf
    Byron Scott
    Charlie Scott
    Jerry Sloan
    John Stockton
    Rik Smits
    Maurice Stokes
    Isiah Thomas
    David Thompson
    Otis Thorpe
    Nate Thurmond
    Rudy Tomjanovich
    Andrew Toney
    Jack Twyman
    Wes Unseld
    Norn Van Lier
    Kiki Vandeweghe
    Ben Wallace
    Bill Walton
    Chris Webber
    Jerry West
    Sidney Wicks
    Dominique Wilkins
    Lenny Wilkins
    Buck Williams
    Willie Wise
    James Worthy
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    • #632
      Re: Drafting Game

      larry nance 91-92

      my last pick is...

      Bill Melchionni 1971-72

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      • #633
        Re: Drafting Game

        After running a couple "pre-season" games against Pig Nash's team, I think this thing is going to be a wide open affair. The seedings are going to mean little when it all said and done.

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        • #634
          Re: Drafting Game

          Can I make my pick out of turn after Able since he is the only other person that needs a center? If you have seen my team on the site then you know who my pick will probably be, but I may change it.

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          • #635
            Re: Drafting Game

            I was thinking the same, Ken. I am going to draft a F and able already has all 4 of his...

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            • #636
              Re: Drafting Game

              I think that's a pretty good idea.

              Able is on the clock for his guard pick

              MSA2CF, you can go ahead & pick your forward.

              Ken, name your center.

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              • #637
                Re: Drafting Game

                PF Horace Grant 1991-1992 $8,130,139

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                • #638
                  Re: Drafting Game

                  Nevermind
                  [edit=29=1093650035][/edit]
                  ...Still "flying casual"
                  @roaminggnome74

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                  • #639
                    Re: Drafting Game

                    Just because I like him... I'll take Detlef Schrempf of the 94-95 Supersonics for $6,606,953

                    Can't beat an over 50% shooter from behind the arc...
                    Here, everyone have a : on me

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                    • #640
                      Re: Drafting Game

                      I'll complete the Terre Haute Trifecta by taking:

                      Clyde Lovellette 57-58 $4,964,701

                      He may not be the best center left, but he is a homie.

                      Judging by the way my team has been getting beat on, I may not make it very far. Please put Hoop in the other bracket!
                      [edit=79=1093666170][/edit]

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                      • #641
                        Re: Drafting Game

                        Mitch Richmond 90-91

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                        • #642
                          Re: Drafting Game

                          Originally posted by SycamoreKen
                          Judging by the way my team has been getting beat on, I may not make it very far. Please put Hoop in the other bracket!
                          I've been trying to find some of the guys teams to play some practice games, I don't think everyone has put there team on there yet.

                          My team beat the 69 win Laker team, crushed the 67 win Boston team and beat the 72 win Bulls team 117-60. My team may be better than I thought it would be.

                          "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                          • #643
                            Re: Drafting Game

                            Wow.. I'm confused.. Whose turn is it?

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                            • #644
                              Re: Drafting Game

                              Originally posted by Hoop

                              I've been trying to find some of the guys teams to play some practice games, I don't think everyone has put there team on there yet.
                              My squad is on there now; the team name is dipperdunk.

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                              • #645
                                Re: Drafting Game

                                Originally posted by Joel
                                Wow.. I'm confused.. Whose turn is it?
                                Me too, here's the way I see it. Able got skipped cause he's the only that needs a center. So MSA2CF and I Love the Pacers went ahead and picked. I think it's Joel's turn, then Jose's. I think Sycamore Ken & Louisville Lip went out of turn, but I could be wrong????


                                152. Able ---------------- ?

                                153. MSA2CF ------------ Horace Grant 91-92

                                154. I love the Pacers -- Detlef Schrempf 94-95

                                155. Joel ----------------- ?

                                156. Jose Slaughter ----- ?

                                157. Sycamore Ken ----- Clyde Lovellette 57-58

                                158. Louisville Lip ------- Mitch Richmond 90-91

                                159. Burnzone ----------- ?

                                160. Roaming Gnome --- ?

                                "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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