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2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

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  • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

    Originally posted by Granville View Post
    Probably. If it includes the Nuggets pick too, definitely.
    The Nuggets don't have a pick in this year's draft.
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    • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

      I'd probably do Lawson deal. He fills a big need at PG, and has shown he can play in the league, at his size, which was his biggest question mark heading into the draft. He's young and is actually a player who can be the PG for the future. He and Tyler should also click as well like they did at UNC.

      With that though, you hope to get back into the draft hopefully being able to use an expiring contract.

      I think Bird will think long and hard about this one

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      • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

        I would do it if we received further compensation. I know they liked Foster a lot. Maybe there could be a deal surrounding #10 and Foster for Ty and filler.

        What about Murphy, Foster, and #10 for Kenyon Martin, Ty Lawson and a future first.

        This would give us a physical force to play next to Hibbert. I know Martin has had attitude issues in the past, but I think he is more mature than he used to be. Also, he would give our team a backbone. I think that is a function of DJones' role on our team, but he doesn't bring enough of it for everybody. Hibbert is a fiery player. Rush is tough, but not emotional. We need toughness and Martin would bring that.

        This deal is more about Lawson. We supposedly loved Lawson last year and the year before. I wouldn't mind bringing him in. He and Price would be a nice tandem in my mind. I think both are solid PG's but probably both are considered "lower half of the NBA" caliber as their potential. Price is more of the half court type while Lawson is more of a run and gun. It would be a great change-up to give both 20+ minutes per game. I would like for Price to develop as the closer though by improving his defense so we can play half court basketball in close, tough, playoff-like games.
        Last edited by pacergod2; 06-14-2010, 05:33 PM.
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        • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          Would you do #10 for Ty? I think I would.
          That would be unfortunate, not because Ty is not a good player, but because he could have been the pick last year and now we would be trading our #10 for him

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          • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            this goes back again to the draft last year, if you wanted him that bad(lawson) why not take him last year with the 13pick? so now you are giving up a 10th pick for him?


            By the way I still like the Tyler pick
            I think if they believed Tyler was available at 16 (assuming Chicago wouldn't just take him there instead of trading with us), I think they would have done the CHI trade and taken Tyler at 16 and Ty Lawson at 20-something (forget now exactly what pick it was, but I think he would have been there. 22?)

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            • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              I think if they believed Tyler was available at 16 (assuming Chicago wouldn't just take him there instead of trading with us), I think they would have done the CHI trade and taken Tyler at 16 and Ty Lawson at 20-something (forget now exactly what pick it was, but I think he would have been there. 22?)
              I truly believe that was the plan, to trade with Chicago and pick up both Tyler and Ty , however when Charlette took Henderson (whom I believe the Bulls were targeting), the deal feel through
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              • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                I think if they believed Tyler was available at 16 (assuming Chicago wouldn't just take him there instead of trading with us), I think they would have done the CHI trade and taken Tyler at 16 and Ty Lawson at 20-something (forget now exactly what pick it was, but I think he would have been there. 22?)
                Chicago had 16 & 26.

                Lawson went 18th.

                We supposedly had Lawson #2 behind Hansbrough, but I don't know how close it was.

                Edit: Also, if you like Lawson better than anybody at #10, then you do the deal. Whether you could have had him with the #13 or not last year is immaterial.
                Last edited by count55; 06-15-2010, 11:46 AM.

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                • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                  Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                  Would you do #10 for Ty? I think I would.
                  I would probably settle with this if Denver proposed it.

                  My other choice is getting Darren Collison from New Orleans. The Hornets seem like they're much more demanding. They would only give up Collison if they get rid of Okafor too.

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                  • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                    Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                    My other choice is getting Darren Collison from New Orleans. The Hornets seem like they're much more demanding. They would only give up Collison if they get rid of Okafor too.
                    My thing w/ the rumored N.O. deal...

                    Did we ever pay Dale Davis more than Reggie Miller? (Okafor makes about half a mil per year more than DG)

                    Now, I know neither Granger or Okafor are as good, but they fill the same roles... The Scorer/Star, and Rebound/D guy...

                    I guess my point is why pay our Rebound/D man more than what we will of either our Batman and Robin combo (whenever we get the 2nd)???

                    Just doesn't seem right to screw up our long term cap situation just to get a starting PG...
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                    • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                      Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                      My thing w/ the rumored N.O. deal...

                      Did we ever pay Dale Davis more than Reggie Miller? (Okafor makes about half a mil per year more than DG)

                      Now, I know neither Granger or Okafor are as good, but they fill the same roles... The Scorer/Star, and Rebound/D guy...

                      I guess my point is why pay our Rebound/D man more than what we will of either our Batman and Robin combo (whenever we get the 2nd)???

                      Just doesn't seem right to screw up our long term cap situation just to get a starting PG...
                      I'm not against getting Okafor as a player. I actually think he would fill the PF defensive issue.

                      If the Hornets are so eager to trade his big contract along with Collison then I would give them Ford, Rush (for value), SJones (just to give them a center back) and our 40th pick. This is actually a good trade for both teams.

                      If they don't accept that then I wouldn't try to give them any more. Unless they just accept our #10 for Collison.

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                      • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                        Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                        Of all the "vet" PGs mentioned for use in trade rumors, Felton is the best as long as the price is reasonable. Still young, has true PG skills, decent D. Not great, but even if only average by league starter standards, still a significant upgrade over what we've got. Others have issues. In TP's case, ones you've covered. Maynor still unprovedn. IMO, Sessions still somewhat uproven and not as much of a traditional PG.
                        IMHO...Sessions isn't unproven as much as he just doesn't seem like a long-term solution that may be considered an "adequate" answer to our PG needs.

                        If we ever acquired Sessions....I'd bet that we'd continually be looking for a better PG answer.
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                        • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                          Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                          I'm not against getting Okafor as a player. I actually think he would fill the PF defensive issue.

                          If the Hornets are so eager to trade his big contract along with Collison then I would give them Ford, Rush (for value), SJones (just to give them a center back) and our 40th pick. This is actually a good trade for both teams.

                          If they don't accept that then I wouldn't try to give them any more. Unless they just accept our #10 for Collison.
                          I just don't think Okafor is worth the amount of money he is owed... 14.5 mil in 2013/14 really??? It's just not worth getting a starting caliber PG taking on that contract...

                          If Collison played in a system that doesn't seem to inflate assist totals...... I'm just having a hard time finding words to explain... he hasn't shown me enough to be willing to take on Okafor's huge long contract... just not worth the risk when other options are possibly out there... as well as sounds like N.O. is willing to package him w/ Peja or Poesy, much shorter contracts that won't bite in in the rear as hard if Collison falls through (or Okafor would get hurt and would then get stuck in a Brand like scenario)...
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                          • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                            Of the rumors about the 10th pick, would you rather trade it for Eric Gordon or Ty Lawson?

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                            • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                              I know that this would be considered "petty" when it comes to this draft and what it means for the Team on a "long-term" basis....but if we traded out of this draft by doing some trade like:

                              #10 + Murphy + Foster ===> KMart+Lawson

                              or

                              #10 + Foster + Solo ===> JR Smith+Lawson

                              I would be pretty disappointed. I know that we'd be getting a solid PG prospect but I'd somewhat disappointed because I was really looking forward to drafting a Player and see him develope. I know....we're getting a real PG in return that's just one year removed....I was just hoping that getting a Rookie drafted would add some excitement to this slow offseason.

                              I guess that I'd just hope that we have some plan to get back late into the 1st round.

                              BTW.....if any of the above options is available to us to get Lawson...I could totally see Bird doing this just to get his hands on Lawson. My preference would be getting back KMart+Lawson....even if we weren't able to get back any future draft picks.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 06-14-2010, 06:37 PM.
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                              • Re: 2010 Pre-Draft Trade Rumors

                                Originally posted by Granville View Post
                                Of the rumors about the 10th pick, would you rather trade it for Eric Gordon or Ty Lawson?
                                Lawson by a mile only cuz we have the option to keep BRush. I know that Gordon is a better SG, but we have a greater need to fill our PG needs then to upgrade the SG spot.
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