The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • The 2010 PD Forum Awards! AWARDS HALFWAY DONE, WEEK 3 FINALS UP!

    Ok, Hicks asked me to run this for him this year (and I think that's fitting since I am the one that basically started the conversation about having them here and I think it's one of the most fun things we do over the summer while it's boring. But, I'm gonna start the discussion and nominations now because I've got a few ideas. But first, here are the award winners for the past couple years (2006 and 2007 are gone, did the crash kill them? 2005/2004 are still there)

    ALL of Our 2009 Award Winners:

    Rookie of the Year: BRushWithDeath
    Sunshiner of the Year: duke dynamite
    Best Non-American Poster: Mourning
    Off Topic Thread of the Year: Speed - Is it me or has the demeanor of the board changed?
    Darksider of the Year: ChicagoJ
    Underrated Poster of the Year: Roaming Gnome
    Off Topic Post of the Year: Natston
    Best Non-Pacer Fan: d_c
    Pacers Post of the Year: MagicRat
    Pacers Thread of the Year: Jose Slaughter - Today in Pacer History
    Moderate Poster of the Year: Putnam
    The MagicRat Most Humorous Poster: Co-Winners avoidingtheclowns and JayRedd
    Best Debator: Naptown_Seth
    Post More Often: JayRedd
    thunderbird1245 Best Arm Chair Coach: imawhat
    Most Valuable Poster: count55

    Congratulations, everyone!

    2008 Winners:

    MVP: Unclebuck
    Thread of the Year: Counting: It's Fun
    Post of the Year: Shawne > Rush > Quis #23 - JayRedd
    Poster You Most Love to Hate: JayRedd
    Best Non-American: Mourning
    Best Couple: JayRedd/LoneGranger33 & rcarey/newman8r tie
    Best Non-Pacer Fan: Kstat
    Sunshiner of the Year: Hicks
    Most Fanatical Poster: Duke Dynamite
    Darksider of the Year: Bball
    Best Arm Chair Coach: Thunderbird1245
    Post More Often: Thunderbird1245
    ROTY: Kester99
    Most Humorous: JayRedd
    Most Argumentative: Naptown_Seth

    MVP - Peck

    Poster You Most Love to Hate - Kstat

    Best Foreign Poste - Mourning

    Best Non-Pacer Fan - DisplacedKnick

    Most Fanatical Poster - Unclebuck

    Most Pessimistic Poster - Jay@Section204 (ChicagoJ)

    Best Arm-Chair Coach - Peck

    Most Improved Poster - Harmonica

    Most Argumentative Poster - Kstat

    Rookie Poster of the Year - SoupIsGood

    Most Humorous Poster - MagicRat

    2004 Rookie Poster of the Year: Jay@Section222

    2004 Most Humorous Poster: MagicRat

    2004 Most Argumentative Poster: bulletproof

    2004 Most Improved Poster: able

    2004 Best Arm-Chair Coach: Jay@Section222

    2004 Most Pessimistic Poster: indytoad

    2004 Most Fanatical Poster: JONeal7

    2004 Best Foreign Poster: Kstat

    2004 Poster You Most Love to Hate: Kstat

    2004 Most Valuable Poster: Unclebuck

    So that gives you an idea of the categories we've had over the years and here are the categories I think are the most essential:
    MVP - Obviously, who do you think is the most important member of the board? Who has the most insight? Who always fosters lively discussion? Whose posts do you look forward to reading? This category is the most important one.

    ROTY - I think this one is close to the top because it shows the direction of the forum. Which newcomer wowed you the most?

    MagicRat Award - Shortening this one cuz everyone knows he's funny, so the award should just be his name. (same will go for Tbird.) Who provided the comic relief, who made you ? Who got you in trouble at work for laughing when you should be working?

    T-Bird Award - Who provided the most keen eye when it came to in game situations and player breakdowns? Whose opinion on a player or a team do you trust the most?

    Post More Often - This is less of an award and more of a plea from other posters. We like what you do, do more of it! It's still an honor to get though and I think maybe we should rename it. Any suggestions?

    Darksider/Sunshiner/Moderate - Seperate categories, one explanation. Who were the leaders of their respective sides in debates? Who loved to love the Pacers/everything they do? Who loved to hate their direction? Who played the best Switzerland?

    Best Foreigner/Best Non Pacer Fan - One is from a different country, and one is from another fan base, who were the best?

    PPOTY/PTOTY - The best Pacers related post, and thread, respectively

    OTPOTY/OTTOTY - The best OT post, and thread, respectively

    Inessential awards
    Best Debator - Unless everyone disagrees, I think this category can go. The Darksider/Sunshiner/Moderate awards cover this I think and generally one of those posters is arguing/debating the most.

    Underrated Poster - I think this is covered by post more often. Once again, if I'm wrong or you really love this category, let me know.

    MIPoster - This has been gone in recent years but generally it's kind of insulting since it implies you sucked as a poster before. Generally it awards posters that weren't quite MVP material but I think we have enough other awards for those posters.

    Most Fanatical - I think is covered by Sunshiner.

    Best couple - doesn't apply every year and is generally kind of a joke

    Poster You Love to Hate - Covered by Darksider generally.

    Possible New Awards:
    There are a couple of awards I think would be interesting to add to the mix.

    OTMVP - This is the best poster that keeps discussion lively in the other boards. Who gives us insight into things besides the Pacers?

    Draft King - Kind of a companion to TBird award (and one he could be eligible to win too) This poster keeps us updated on all things college basketball and keeps us informed on who the Pacers/rest of the NBA, should/will pick.

    I'd also be interested in any suggestions for new awards or tweaks for old awards anyone has!

    Post in the thread with nominations for the different categories, suggestions for new categories or tweaks for old, and thoughts about the awards in general!
    Last edited by Pig Nash; 06-28-2010, 02:32 PM.
    Play Mafia!

  • #2
    Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

    I nominate the Worst At Google Award, or The Pig Nash for short.

    === Results from the 2007 PD Forum Awards ===

    2007 Rookie Poster of the Year: Naptown_Seth & Thunderbird1245 tie

    2007 Most Humorous Poster: MagicRat

    2007 Most Argumentative Poster: Naptown_Seth

    2007 The "Post More Often" Award: Peck

    2007 Best Arm-Chair Coach: Thunderbird1245

    2007 Darksider of the Year: Bball

    2007 Sunshine Poster of the Year: MagicRat

    2007 Most Fanatical Poster: able

    2007 Best Couple: Jermaniac/Unclebuck

    2007 Best Non-American Poster: Mourning

    2007 Best Non-Pacer Fan Poster: DisplacedKnick

    2007 Poster You Most Love to Hate: ajbry

    2007 Post of the Year: Tbird opinions: Lack of imagination and foresight killed us, and ideas for 2008

    2007 Thread of the Year: Huge Trade!

    2007 Most Valuable Poster: Unclebuck

    === Results from the 2006 PD Forum Awards ===

    2006 Rookie Poster of the Year: Pacers_Girl

    2006 Most Humorous Poster: btowncolt

    2006 Most Argumentative Poster: Kstat

    2006 The "Post More Often" Award: mboyle1313

    2006 Best Arm-Chair Coach: Peck

    2006 Darksider of the Year (Most Pessimistic Poster): Bball

    2006 Sunshine Poster of the Year: Pacers_Girl

    2006 Most Fanatical Poster: Pacers_Girl

    2006 Best Couple: Peck & Unclebuck

    2006 Best Non-American Poster: able

    2006 Best Non-Pacer Fan Poster: DisplacedKnick

    2006 Poster You Most Love to Hate: Jermaniac

    2006 Post of the Year: Awards a farce? (Vicious Tyrant's "Earl: A rememberance")

    2006 Thread of the Year: The Official Reggie Miller Thread

    2006 Most Valuable Poster: Peck
    Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!


    • #3
      Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

      Didn't show up on the board search. Thanks.
      Play Mafia!


      • #4
        Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

        Rookie of the Year: cordobes
        Sunshiner of the Year:Uncle Buck
        Best Non-American Poster: sweabs
        Off Topic Thread of the Year: I like...(btown)
        Darksider of the Year: Hicks (after he started the "Hey-hey ho-ho JOB has got to go" the board went from negative to pure cynicism)
        Underrated Poster of the Year: Anthem
        Off Topic Post of the Year: indygeezer
        Best Non-Pacer Fan:KStat
        Pacers Post of the Year: ? nominations?
        Pacers Thread of the Year: Nominations ?
        Moderate Poster of the Year: Anthem
        The MagicRat Most Humorous Poster: Lone Granger
        Best Debator: Uncle Buck
        Post More Often: cordobes
        thunderbird1245 Best Arm Chair Coach: Naptown
        Most Valuable Poster: Putnam


        • #5
          Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

          Rookie of the Year: cordobes
          Best Non-American Poster: cordobes
          Best Non-Pacer Fan:cordobes
          Post More Often: cordobes, Kester99, avoidingtheclowns, Jose Slaughter, JayRedd
          Most Valuable Poster: BillS, cordobes


          • #6
            Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

            Best Non-Pacer Fan: d_c
            Post More Often: Count55, Tbird
            Rookie o' the Year: 90'sNBARocked, Sookie, SMosley

            Are we supposed to be re-nominating people? If so, I re-nominate cordobes for all the above categories.
            Last edited by OakMoses; 05-29-2010, 08:29 AM.
            "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

            - Salman Rushdie


            • #7
              Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

              MVP: UncleBuck

              I feel like Buck's been fighting the good fight a lot lately against an overwhelming opponent with little support from folks like myself who generally agree with him.
              "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

              - Salman Rushdie


              • #8
                Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
                Best Non-Pacer Fan: d_c
                Post More Often: Tbird

                Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
                MVP: UncleBuck

                I feel like Buck's been fighting the good fight a lot lately against an overwhelming opponent with little support from folks like myself who generally agree with him.
                Seconded - on both counts.


                • #9
                  Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                  Perhaps one of the awards should be named in honor of ABADays.


                  • #10
                    Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                    You forgot "Best Kegboy"
                    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                    “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird


                    • #11
                      Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                      I have few ideas :

                      "homer of the year": Duke Dynamite, nobody is a bigger homer than my guy Duke

                      "devil's advocate of the year": unclebuck, he keeps the conversation going and likes to be positive about JOB

                      "Darksider of the year": unclebuck, whoever likes JOB should be a darksider

                      "Non Pacers fan of the year": Cordobes, really good poster, one of the best

                      "Best poster of the year": Naptown Seth, nobody writes more than this guy in one post, his inside information about NBA prospects is really good.

                      "Tin foil in my head": Bills, there is not one post were he does not talk about the Pacers leaving town and for that I nominate him

                      "post more often": Peck, we need him to post more, he is one of the funnies guys in PD and his sarcasm is out of proportion and I like that.

                      "MPV" Hicks, without him this forum wouldn't be the same.
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


                      • #12
                        Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                        Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                        You forgot "Best Kegboy"

                        We could always have a Best Poster-Centric Avatar, but I'd just lose to you:

                        Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!


                        • #13
                          Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          I have few ideas :

                          "homer of the year": Duke Dynamite, nobody is a bigger homer than my guy Duke
                          If you've been paying attention this year, "homer" is one thing that wouldn't be used to describe me.


                          • #14
                            Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                            Originally posted by Granville View Post
                            Perhaps one of the awards should be named in honor of ABADays.
                            The ABA Days Outstanding Citizen Award?


                            • #15
                              Re: The 2010 PD Forum Awards! (Nominations and Discussion)

                              Rookie of the Year: cordobes

                              Sunshiner of the Year: BillS (though after the gloom and doom of the team possibly moving, he's just barely hanging in here)

                              Darksider of the Year: Bball, d_c (Most insidious; he makes the arguable truth seem as bleak as human possible often lol)

                              Best Non-Pacer Fan: cordobes

                              Moderate Poster of the Year: Unclebuck, Putnam

                              MagicRat Award: Natson

                              Best Debator: Unclebuck

                              Post More Often: Jose Slaughter

                              OTTOTY: That's What She Said

                              thunderbird1245 Best Arm Chair Coach: imawhat

                              Most Valuable Poster: Peck, Unclebuck

                              Best Kegboy: Kegboy