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Re: Pacers have 2 chances at winning lottery
I would consider any lottery result that brings us Devin Harris to be a losing one.Comment
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Re: Pacers have 2 chances at winning lottery
I think Minnesota will make Sessions and either Flynn or Rubio available.
My guess is Rubio. One he's going to get you the most value in return, secondly you're not sure when he's going to come over.
Sessions can like be had for cheap. Flynn they'll likely keep b/c he had a solid rookie year and could always be a really nice backup or insurance to Wall.
I still say the #10 gets traded. I will be quite shocked if we're picking at #10 for ourselves.
Do you trade #10 for Harris, Flynn or Rubio?
Any other PGs you may trade #10 for? Collison, Felton, B.Davis, Steph Curry, Jrue Holiday
Not saying they'll be available, but you never know which team will land the #1 pick.
Is there serious not 1 team that would not take John Wall with the first pick? If that team already has an established PG will they keep Wall and the PG already on the roster?
I think that will be the question everyone will be asking if John Wall is selected by a team with a good PG already
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Re: Pacers have 2 chances at winning lottery
Other than New Jersey, I'd like to see Minnesota get the #1 pick if we don't as it could turn out to be even better for us if a trade happens involving us and whatever team gets Wall, as stated above. I wouldn't mind trading for either Sessions, Harris, or Flynn. I also wouldn't mind trying out Ricky Rubio as anything is better than Ford at this point. I'm just praying that something good unfolds for us tomorrow.Comment
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Re: Pacers have 2 chances at winning lottery
According to Shamsports, Dooling has an unguaranteed contract....not exactly a Team Option.
The question would then become whether he can be included before the time that is needed to guarantee his contract or not.
However, I'd assume that the Nets would insist on the Pacers taking on one of their 2010 Expiring Contracts as well to lessen the impact our Expiring Contract has on their SalaryCap.
For example, I can totally see them asking for Dunleavy+10 ( or Ford+Solo+10 ) for Harris+Humphries. Humphries has a Player option....where as the rest of the contracts have Team Options or are unguaranteed. The impact of adding the Pacers Players contracts to their Salarycap is minimized.
The only thing that I can see possibly going our way is that the only way that the Nets can get a Trade Exception is from a 3rd Team that is under the Cap as well. The only Teams that can send the Nets a Trade Exception are the very Teams that are competing with the Nets to keep as much Capspace as possible so that they can sign FAs themselves.Last edited by CableKC; 05-17-2010, 08:09 PM.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Wait....
Murphy is making more than Harris? My God the NBA is sooooooooooooo screwed up.
Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13Comment
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I won't waste my time trying to acquire Ricky Rubio. I believe he's REALLY OVERRATED for a player who's never stepped on the floor in the NBA. Honestly, I'd be really surprised if New Jersey don't go after our #10 pick. It looks a Devin Harris is very possible at this point.
Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?Comment
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Re: Pacers have 2 chances at winning lottery
Food for thought. Take it for what you will. I'm not so sure that Devin Harris is really the answer. I realize he almost won MIP and was an All-Star just a year ago. I just don't think his style fits that well. Not a good shooter, not efficient, not sure that he's a true PG. There could be better fits possibly if other teams won the lottery and traded their current PG. I realize Harris may be our only/best option if NJ wins it though.A decade ago, the Nets were sad, divided and disappointed.
They had an alpha-dog point guard who had arrived from a better team, ready to show what he could really do. They had a coach who was really smart and friendly but maybe a tad too soft-spoken and thoughtful to take command of the situation. They had a big man, drafted high, who went long periods without touching the ball.
Which is all true today.
Back then, the leading characters were Stephon Marbury, Don Casey and Keith Van Horn.
Now it's Devin Harris, Kiki Vandeweghe and your choice of Brook Lopez or Yi Jianlian.
I hear you Devin Harris fans. You're saying: How dare you compare this talented young player to the icon of self-centered gunners?
By now it's well accepted that Marbury was more or less a bust just about everywhere he went -- the kind of super-talent who could always get his but never cared much about the rest of his team, and as a result did a heck of a lot of losing.
Harris is a long way from that. But maybe not as far as you might think.
Did you notice that the Nets had their best game of the season on Wednesday, when Harris sat out with a sprained wrist?
That got me thinking more about the idea that Harris might have a little Marbury in him, exactly a decade later. Some things I have learned:- The Nets have been shockingly bad when Harris is on the court. When Harris plays, the team scores about 100 points per 100 possessions, and gives up more than 116 -- a devastating number. When his replacement Keyon Dooling is in, according to basketballvalue.com, the numbers are dramatically better: The Nets score about two fewer points per 100 possessions, but instead of giving up 116, they give up just 101. 15 points better on defense! Wow. (There are lots of reasons to take this analysis with a grain of salt. Harris generally plays with and against starters, while Dooling plays with and against backups. However, adjusted plus/minus, which attempts to account for those differences, ranks Harris as percentage points from being this season's worst Net.)
- Dooling ran the show last night, and keyed the win. In the game-deciding fourth quarter run, Dooling had two buckets, two assists and a steal. He made all five of his shots in the fourth quarter. Notable was that not only did Dooling play well, but he also got several Nets in the mix. Terrence Williams, Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, Chris Douglas-Roberts ... there have not been a lot of Harris-led games with so many Nets shining.
- You who say Harris is not nearly as selfish as Marbury, let's compare. A decade ago, yes Marbury used more possessions than Harris does now: 28.2% compared to 24.9 for Harris. And Marbury shot more about 20% more per minute. But he also shot more accurately (53% true shooting percentage compared to 49%), and most importantly passed the ball far more. Marbury had an assist rate of .39, while Harris is just .32. Harris is 14th in usage rate among point guards, but his assist rate is way down the list at 39th. What's more, Harris has a PER of 14.9 this year, while Marbury was at 20.7 a decade ago. Also worth noting: Harris is 26. Marbury, then, was just 22.
You could keep going on with the comparisons between the teams. Harris had played with an MVP big man in Dirk Nowitzki before coming to the Nets. Marbury had played with Kevin Garnett. Kerry Kittles -- an athletic "D and 3s" guy is not dissimilar from Courtney Lee.
And there's one last similarity. Today's Nets are essentially praying for a savior from out of town who will show up, change the culture, and lead them to the Finals immediately. LeBron James, perhaps. It might seem like a crazy gambit. But stranger things have happened. Jason Kidd arrived in the summer of 2001, and that very next year those same players who had been so miserable for so long were in the Finals.Comment
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Re: Pacers have 2 chances at winning lottery
I wouldn't mind trading for Harris, I just really really really really don't want to give up #10 for him. I would be really reluctant to give up #40 this year as well. Next year's second rounder? No problem."Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."Comment
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Re: Pacers have 2 chances at winning lottery
I was thinking the same thing. Which PG is worth the 10th pick.
I would trade for Collison, Flynn, and probably Harris.
Rubio won't be here next year and who knows he might resign with his Madrid team and stay in Europe for ever.
Holiday and Curry won't be available.
I like Sessions, but I don't want to give up the 10th pick for him, maybe an expiring contract.
I'm not to sure about Lawson. What is he worth. Denver always seemed to always want Foster, but he is getting older and injury prone now.Comment
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I really don't understand why this mentality is so prevalent. Young guy with all-star potential on a fair contract at a premium position which happens to also be a position of dire need for this team. Does he have some warts? Who doesn't? Did he have a bad year? He played for the abysmal Nets this year, give him a break.
A year ago a lot of people felt he was more deserving of the MIP than Granger, including Mark Boyle.
A huge talent upgrade at a position of need that allows us to keep Hibbert and Granger? Where do I sign?"As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."
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