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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

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  • Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

    Michael Beasley, Miami Heat face uncertain future down 3-0 to Boston Celtics - ESPN

    Originally posted by Chris Sheridan
    MIAMI -- As you watch the replay of Paul Pierce's game-winner, take note of who was on the floor defending.

    There was Dorell Wright, who was the isolation defender on Pierce and did not have an opportunity to use the foul that the Heat had to give, and the other four bodies were Michael Beasley, Quentin Richardson, Udonis Haslem and Mario Chalmers.

    This is noteworthy for one major reason: There is a fairly strong chance that not a single one of those finishing five will be back with the Heat next fall when this soon-to-be-over series will be a distant, distasteful memory.

    Yes, even Beasley -- the second overall pick of the 2008 draft.

    What you may have missed on the eve of this series was Heat president Pat Riley's comment that he seeks to build a dynasty this summer, when Miami will have somewhere in the area of $24 million, as things stand now, to spend in free agency.

    And as well as Dwyane Wade's supporting cast played Friday night in a gut-wrenching 100-98 loss to the Boston Celtics in Game 3 of their first-round series, it remains a supporting cast too anemic to be part of what Riley has planned for the future. Richardson, Wright and Haslem are on expiring contracts, and Chalmers' contract has a team option.

    The expiring $23 million contract belonging to Jermaine O'Neal (who was benched for the final 17 minutes) also will come off Miami's cap, as will the contracts of Carlos Arroyo, James Jones, Yakhouba Diawara and Jamaal Magloire. (Joel Anthony has an $885,000 player option, and Daequan Cook is under contract for $2.1 million.)

    So not only does Riley want to bring back Wade after he opts out of his contract prior to July 1, but Riley wants to bring in two superstuds to play alongside the superstar who sweated his way through two uniform jerseys while scoring 34 points on 14-for-26 shooting before sitting out the final 11.7 seconds with an injury to a left calf that had been cramping up on him throughout the fourth quarter.

    But even if Riley is able to land one extremely heavy hitter in free agency (that list begins with LeBron James and continues with Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire and Carlos Boozer), he isn't going to have enough room to get that second stud if he still has Beasley on the roster making $4.96 million.

    And sources have told that Miami, fed up with Beasley's lack of devotion to defense and his steep learning curve in the maturity department, tried diligently to move Beasley before the trading deadline in February but found no takers willing to give up anything more than garbage.

    So if Beasley can be moved before the draft for a player with only a partial guarantee for 2010-11, or if the Heat can arrange an uneven deal (in terms of salaries) and send him to an under-the-cap team in a trade that would be consummated after the league's one-week moratorium on player movement ends July 8, look for Riley to go for it.

    Because despite Beasley's brief burst of offense -- four of his seven field goals came in a stretch of the first four minutes of the fourth quarter to help Miami battle back right when it appeared Boston was poised to pull away -- his body of work in this series, 11.7 points and 7.0 rebounds per game, and his two years of incidents and inconsistency have made him expendable.

    Yes, it would be difficult to tacitly admit Beasley was a mistake at No. 2, but major mistakes have been made there before (the name Darko comes to mind).
    And yes, Riley is prideful.

    But not so much so that he'd let a bad decision from 2008 get in the way of what he wants to build for 2011, 2012 and 2013. (There are some in the Heat organization who believe Riley will offer Wade and two other players the option of signing four-year contracts with opt-out clauses after three years).

    "That's a tough question. It may be true, it may not," Beasley said beforehand when asked if he realized his future in Miami could be determined by this series.
    "It could be. You are most definitely right. Will it be? Who knows? I haven't heard anything regarding this summer."

    For those who may have forgotten, Beasley was the consolation prize in the draft that landed Derrick Rose in Chicago after the Bulls won the lottery. Riley was active in trying to move the No. 2 pick two Junes ago but ended up using it, and Beasley has been more of a headache that a help in the two seasons since.

    "I'm a little smarter, I understand the game a little better, but I'm still the same guy," said Beasley, who insists his maturity level and his commitment to basketball have both improved since the birth 11 months ago of his daughter, Mikaiya. "I love my daughter to death, and the things I do reflect on me. I don't want her to be 5 years old and hear [her] daddy had a DUI. Everything I do, everything, I think about how it's going to affect her and what she's going to think when she's old enough to understand."

    But it was during those 11 months that Beasley checked himself into a Houston rehabilitation facility, reportedly for substance abuse and psychological issues, after posting a series of curious messages on his Twitter account that led some to fear for his mental health.

    The regular season passed without any further brushes with the bizarre, but the playoffs began with Beasley being abused first by Kevin Garnett in Game 1 and then by Glen Davis in Game 2.

    The Celtics did not exploit him as much in Game 3, but there were several crucial possessions -- Pierce's third of his four 3-pointers came when Beasley failed to cover the shooter in the corner -- that helped make it possible for the game to come down to one final possession and Pierce's final shot.

    All that's left for now is Sunday's Game 4, and if Miami gets swept, it could be bye-bye Beasley. Because when Riley talks of building a dynasty, Beasley's salary and Beasley's baggage might only get in the way of Riley's ultimate plan.

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    Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

    I WISH we could unload TJ or Murphy for Beasley ..

    A trade getting rid of one of those 2 would be absolutely worth taking a chance on seeing if Beasley would pan out or not ..

    That is , as long as we wouldn't have to give up ANY of our core young guys I like .. lol

    "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."


    • #3
      Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

      Neither helps Miami this offseason. I also don't think we'd be interested in a pot smoking, no-defense-playing headcase like Beasley.


      • #4
        Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

        Originally posted by Kemo View Post
        I WISH we could unload TJ or Murphy for Beasley ..
        Really? I would rather keeping Troy and live with his below average defense. In fact, I may be even able to stand by seeing TJ as our starting PG than having to see Beasley with the Pacers uniform. He is not talent and promising enough for his problems.


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          Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

          Originally posted by Kemo View Post
          I WISH we could unload TJ or Murphy for Beasley ..
          And sources have told that Miami, fed up with Beasley's lack of devotion to defense and his steep learning curve in the maturity department, tried diligently to move Beasley before the trading deadline in February but found no takers willing to give up anything more than garbage.
          Really ??

          When we all know that the Pacers need defensive help and that they're trying to build a team WITHOUT character issues ??

          Really ??


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            Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

            Beasly? The only positive seems to be his young age, which would fit with the Pacers, but not his attitude and lack of defense.
            But in the article they talk about 4 other players, standing on the floor in the last seconds.
            I like the names Udonis Haslem (good backup, but I know...the Pacers have a lot of backups and need starters^^) and Mario Chalmers, who is a young PG!
            If they don't pick up his option, is there any way for the Pacers they could get him? He seems pretty cheap and I think he could become a good PG and he also could become a better player than Beasly in the league.
            So I don't watch enough Heat games to know if Chalmers is great, but I just want to ask you, what do you think about him joining the Pacers?


            • #7
              Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

              I do not want him on the Pacers under any circumstances


              • #8
                Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                Do you mean Beasly or Chalmers Mr. Buck?


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                  Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                  Originally posted by InYaFace View Post
                  Do you mean Beasly or Chalmers Mr. Buck?


                  • #10
                    Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    "Super Cool Beas"


                    • #11
                      Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                      Yeah, at this point I'd give up more for Chalmer than for Beasley.
                      This space for rent.


                      • #12
                        Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                        Yeah, at this point I'd give up more for Chalmer than for Beasley.

                        The problem with Chalmers being a Pacer is, he can play "D"! We know how Jimmy feels about players who can play "D".


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                          Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                          The most important part of this article is that Miami will be firing the earliest salvo in the bidding war for free agents who are impact players this summer, not next. That, coupled with teams looking to dump salary for summer 2011 puts Miami in the driver's seat for shaping its future, and that of any franchise that makes a major deal with it.

                          I suspect that Beasley is going to need to plan on announcing his retirement from the game. He has "Shawn Kemp" written all over him. Other than a one year rental for a team who is not a contender who has not already had their franchise fall apart from similar influences, he is basically useless and doesn't have a place in the NBA.

                          As a cheap signing for us, though, bring back James Jones, unless he has had more of an injury problem than I might be aware of. He is a better version of Luther Head who is a better 3 point shooter and works well under pressure. He is also a known commodity here who never should have been allowed to walk IMO.


                          • #14
                            Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                            Forget Beasley; I want Chalmers.


                            • #15
                              Re: Michael Beasley on his way out of Miami?

                              He's lazy, immature and hates playing defense?

                              The threads next year would be fun.