Pacers face uncertain future at Conseco Fieldhouse

[thewholefnshow31]

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It should be fun to see the reaction when the city tells the people they are going to raise their taxes for the Pacers, but then try to hide the fact we cut school budgets. That should be fun to watch.

I think covering the operating costs of Conseco would have been much easier to take had the tax payers not got screwed over in the deal for LOS. How in the world could the government give Irsay revenue for non Colts events, but yet not put in most of the investment?

Seattle might get a team sooner then they thought. :shakehead

[Putnam]

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The city cannot afford to lose the Pacers and the decision should never come down what the current and temporary situation is with the team.

"The city cannot afford to lose the Pacers" is an unfortunate turn of phrase. I join you in hoping the Pacers stay and the Ballard Administration can get some good advice from somewhere about how to manage this.

But there is really nothing the city "can't afford to lose." It can lose Navistar. It can lose its Aaa bond rating. It can lose its best schools. It can go right on losing indefinitely.


So, again, what does "the city can't afford to lose the Pacers" really mean?

The best argument is that the city owns Conseco Fieldhouse and without an NBA tenant the Fieldhouse becomes even more of an albatross than it will be with one.

[graphic-er]

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im not even sure why the PAcers agreed to take on the Stadium costs to begin with.

[Brad8888]

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Downtown is electric whenever the Pacers play, isn't it? I'd prefer not to lose the Pacers, but let's not act like Indy hasn't grown enough (yes, thanks in part to the Pacers) to continue as a thriving city, even if the Pacers were to leave.

Without professional sports, Indianapolis is basically Columbus, OH.

[Putnam]

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im not even sure why the PAcers agreed to take on the Stadium costs to begin with.

It's because they envisioned a lot of Justin Bieber concerts and monster truck rallies that would increase their revenues. By operating the facility, the Pacers thought they'd be raking in money from those other events.

[Trophy]

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All sports franchises have these potential "what if" thoughts and think about if the city wants their franchise there.

Indianapolis has an advantage because of the history of basketball in Indiana.

Times are tough for everyone and rebuilding takes some time.

I don't see the franchise moving and mainly because the city won't allow it. I think they'll help out with a few of our financial problems.

As a team, we need wins and playoffs to show fans that we've entered a new era and that the rebuilding has paid off.

The fanbase is returning. We've had good crowds in the past month of success.

[Jay@Section12]

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im not even sure why the PAcers agreed to take on the Stadium costs to begin with.

Because they wanted to take the profit from non-basketball events. Which they did not have at Market Square.

(Along with no concession revenue, no parking revenue, and other unfavorable terms at MSA. The Indiana Fieldhouse lease was supposed to "right some of those wrongs" but perhaps has other flaws being exposed now.)

[Unclebuck]

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Downtown is electric whenever the Pacers play, isn't it? I'd prefer not to lose the Pacers, but let's not act like Indy hasn't grown enough (yes, thanks in part to the Pacers) to continue as a thriving city, even if the Pacers were to leave.

ask those businesses that depends on the Pacers and Conseco, ther whole se section of downtown depends on it, so ask those business owners, and their employees, if they want to keep their jobs. it has nothing to do with electricity (you brought that up, although it was pretty good 1994-2000

[Unclebuck]

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[bThe best argument is that the city owns Conseco Fieldhouse and without an NBA tenant the Fieldhouse becomes even more of an albatross than it will be with one[/b].

That is what I meant when I said the city cannot afford to lose the Pacers. it will still costs probably $15M per year to run Conseco

[Lord Helmet]

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All sports franchises have these potential "what if" thoughts and think about if the city wants their franchise there.

Indianapolis has an advantage because of the history of basketball in Indiana.

Times are tough for everyone and rebuilding takes some time.

I don't see the franchise moving and mainly because the city won't allow it. I think they'll help out with a few of our financial problems.

I certainly hope you are right about that.

But, my fear is that in the end it always comes down to money, money controls just about everything, and in these negotiations you're going to hear the taxpayers and everyone ***** and moan that they will have to pay more possibly, even if it's for the best interest of the city of Indianapolis in the long run.

My level of worry: Elevated

[graphic-er]

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The main problem is that the media contorted the real issue to make it sound like the tax payers have to bail out the Pacers and their millionaires. The city made sure of that as the Indystar plays by their game. They went with the jerk reaction to make news.

The reality of it is the Pacers have it in their deal that after 10 years they could renegotiate, and it sounds like the 15 million is something the city should have been paying for all along if it weren't for the Pacers wanting to give it a go to rake in the money, well it back fired and the Pacers want a more standard agreement it seems.

[Gamble1]

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"The city cannot afford to lose the Pacers" is an unfortunate turn of phrase. I join you in hoping the Pacers stay and the Ballard Administration can get some good advice from somewhere about how to manage this.

But there is really nothing the city "can't afford to lose." It can lose Navistar. It can lose its Aaa bond rating. It can lose its best schools. It can go right on losing indefinitely.


So, again, what does "the city can't afford to lose the Pacers" really mean?

The best argument is that the city owns Conseco Fieldhouse and without an NBA tenant the Fieldhouse becomes even more of an albatross than it will be with one.

This is the best argument and lets face it the city makes money off the Pacers but they also make money off of concerts, rodeos, etc, etc.....

I just feel that the CIB deals come down to dirty under that table politics that really pi$$ me off as a tax payer. The guys who get shafted in all the so called good deals are the tax payers. I am speaking about the Colts.

[the jaddler]

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Ok i would like to say i love the pacers and dont want them to leave!

But as most people know all goverments are broke!!! So how would you feel if you were a teacher and lost your job to budget cut backs, the same city gave the national sports team money to operate?????

[graphic-er]

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Ok i would like to say i love the pacers and dont want them to leave!

But as most people know all goverments are broke!!! So how would you feel if you were a teacher and lost your job to budget cut backs, the same city gave the national sports team money to operate?????

But thats just it, its not giving the Team money to operate.
Some one will correct me if i'm wrong i'm sure. But Simon's don't want any money for the Pacers. Its the operating of the venue. Which if you look at LOS, the CIB runs and operates the Venue. Simon not even asking for the same sweet heart deal the city gave Irsay. They just want the CIB to pay for running a CIB asset.

[PacerGuy]

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Ok i would like to say i love the pacers and dont want them to leave!

But as most people know all goverments are broke!!! So how would you feel if you were a teacher and lost your job to budget cut backs, the same city gave the national sports team money to operate?????

Not great, but the teacher is 1 job, the team bring in hundreds/ thousands of jobs.

Teachers/ Police/ Firefighters.... all under-appreciated & under paid, but kids do not go untaught because of sports teams, they go untaught by special interest/ greed/ big-goverment/ wastefull spending....