I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

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  • duke dynamite
    #IndyForever
    • Dec 2006
    • 13377

    I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

    I was thinking about this last evening at the game. I called Jimmy out very early last season, a few people called it premature, but looking back now it seems we have a pattern.

    Last season we were in closer contention. Granted our record was not great by any means, we were in many of the games.

    I know we are very early in the season, and we've been riddled with injuries, but I really am starting to feel the opposite of how I felt in the summer. Most people close to me know that I've supported Jim O'Brien as a good coach for this team.


    Call it the lack of Mike Dunleavy (or any healthy player) on the floor, the over-abundance of poorly-judged jump shots, but I'm starting to feel that this team cannot make it very far with O'Brien at the helm.


    You can label me as a flip-flopper all you wish, but I don't feel like when the game is getting out of control you leave your guys out there to get their faces mopped up in their own failure. You talk it over. From a team that blew a 26 point lead in a game to a team with a worse record, and was destined to hit towards the bottom of the Eastern Conference, I just don't see it.


    Yeah, we're going to lose some games. Like the Sixers game Friday, I felt like that was one I just didn't want to talk about. I still don't. This team has shown that it can win (or at least compete) against tough teams.
    I know, a lot of that can't be blamed on coaching, but for the past two games the Pacers have looked lost on the court. (With the exception of the first quarter Friday evening.)


    Coming into this season we set our expectations low. This was a re-building year. Then the team that showed up on the floor on October 29th had something different to say. You can call it what you want, but I really don't see that Jim O'Brien has what it takes to rebuild a team into a contender.


    From decisions like keeping Tinsley in the game last year against Phoenix, to letting Jeff Foster and Marquis Daniels throw up heavily contested jump shots, O'Brien is not focusing on the fact that he has plenty of players that could simply drive to the basket and score, or even draw a foul.


    Sure, we have some all around shooters. But talk about inconsistency. Call it a drought, we've been there, done that. I keep telling myself, "When Mike comes back...when Mike comes back." What if he doesn't come back? Don't get me wrong, up until Friday night I've been enjoying what I've been seeing. But deep down I feel in denial.


    I'm not giving up on this team by any means. It's still too early, and I've never given up on any iteration of a Pacers team.


    What if JOB is not who the team really needs to lead this team back into the playoffs? Who would be capable of leading this team? I wish I knew.
    That what-if has turned into a definite NO. I usually wait until the last minute to fall off the wagon, but I can say I've been pretty close to jumping ship for a while now.

    I was discussing with Gnome and Seth last night about "supporting" the team. We had mixed ideologies, but I can't say that I have quit supporting the franchise, but the system.

    With that said, I do believe that this program can get turned around pretty quickly, but it isn't going to be any prettier in it's stages of infancy.




    Talk amongst yourselves...
  • McKeyFan
    Intuition over Integers
    • Jan 2004
    • 14992

    #2
    Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

    If a homer like Duke Dynamite is about to fall off the wagon because of Jim O'Brien . . .

    . . . then it's probably about time to get rid of Jim O'Brien.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • duke dynamite
      #IndyForever
      • Dec 2006
      • 13377

      #3
      Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

      Originally posted by McKeyFan
      If a homer like Duke Dynamite is about to fall off the wagon because of Jim O'Brien . . .

      . . . then it's probably about time to get rid of Jim O'Brien.
      I gave up on Jim's "system" probably right after the 5-game win streak ended. This isn't anything new by any means.

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      • Since86
        Member
        • Dec 2004
        • 27846

        #4
        Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

        Originally posted by duke dynamite
        I gave up on Jim's "system" probably right after the 5-game win streak ended. This isn't anything new by any means.
        It's new in terms of you saying it publicly. I don't know about how others view you, but I think you see rainbows in every direction.

        You and Shade are foils IMHO.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • Naptown_Seth
          NaptownSeth is all feel
          • Jul 2006
          • 12724

          #5
          Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

          Originally posted by McKeyFan
          If a homer like Duke Dynamite is about to fall off the wagon because of Jim O'Brien . . .

          . . . then it's probably about time to get rid of Jim O'Brien.
          When Hicks started showing darksider trends it depressed me, and he and I used to be at each other tooth and nail because of me being "negative" (I'd say I was being unfortunately realistic).

          It would be so much better if things were winning me to his viewpoint than vice versa.


          But good lord, 20 seconds on the shot clock, not a half court steal or anything, both teams entirely back, and TJ hands to Dun for 3pt miss? Does offensive basketball get any dumber than that?

          No true Hoosier can support that.



          Did I mention the part where JOB justified not DEVELOPING Roy because Bogut has killed him, right before I watched Bogut blow past Troy many, many times.


          ....and the horse you rode in on. You think Simmons was fed up with Dun Sr, that's nothing. Just be glad I don't do a podcast.

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          • Hicks
            Member
            • Jun 2004
            • 53148

            #6
            Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth
            Did I mention the part where JOB justified not DEVELOPING Roy because Bogut has killed him, right before I watched Bogut blow past Troy many, many times.
            O'Brien's logic for this (and, well, most things) bugs the hell out of me.

            1) Roy is part of our future
            2) Roy is young and learning
            3) Roy got beat down by Bogut twice before this season


            Hmm, I think it's best I just hide him away and not give him another opportunity to PRACTICE AGAINST WHAT IS GIVING HIM TROUBLE.



            If your young child is struggling to learn how to swim, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD KEEP HIM OR HER OUT OF THE WATER AND DON'T LET THEM TRY EVER AGAIN!!

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            • Infinite MAN_force
              Lurker of the Year
              • Jul 2007
              • 3107

              #7
              Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

              Keep saying it louder people, we can only hope and pray the front office is hearing us in some capacity. I can't watch this guy coach this team another year, I just can't do it.

              In fact, lets make that "Can't watch this guy coach another game" while we are at it. I actually turned the game off at halftime last night, and it was a close game, I have never done that before. First Josh can't get on the floor despite having no bigs, ok, than promising young point guard Price is relegated to the bench, uh???, and now... well now lone bright spot of the season Roy Hibbert is again being yanked.

              Unacceptable.
              Last edited by Infinite MAN_force; 02-26-2010, 02:51 PM.
              "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

              - ilive4sports

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              • BillS
                Angry Old Poster
                • Mar 2004
                • 21634

                #8
                Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth
                Did I mention the part where JOB justified not DEVELOPING Roy because Bogut has killed him, right before I watched Bogut blow past Troy many, many times.
                Were we watching the same game? I saw Troy play Bogut and make him give up the ball a number of times because Bogut couldn't get past. Bogut had 7 FGs, I don't remember all of them being off of blowing by Murphy (I know one was on a tip during one of those ridiculous "everybody tap the ball instead of grab it" rebound girly-fights).

                I've really started noticing that when Murphy rotates to help NO ONE picks up his man and he has to jump back late. Is this part of it, that Bogut is past where Murphy should be before he gets the ball? (This is different from TJ who often tries to help solely for the purpose of batting at the ball, leaving his guy alone to get the ball back and make a shot.)

                I really think I need to sit next to one of you guys at some point, because even when I make a point to ignore the ball and watch a player I don't see these constant horrible defensive mistakes everyone claims are there - and this was a game where I think our defense was generally poor all around.
                BillS

                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                • duke dynamite
                  #IndyForever
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 13377

                  #9
                  Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                  Originally posted by Since86
                  It's new in terms of you saying it publicly. I don't know about how others view you, but I think you see rainbows in every direction.

                  You and Shade are foils IMHO.
                  It's not new to those who are close to me, I've just tried my best to stay away from talking about this here, because it's not a new topic.

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                  • Since86
                    Member
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 27846

                    #10
                    Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                    Originally posted by duke dynamite
                    It's not new to those who are close to me, I've just tried my best to stay away from talking about this here, because it's not a new topic.
                    You're missing out on the bonding!
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • Trophy
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 8556

                      #11
                      Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                      PD inspired me not to like him.

                      I never actually was a big fan of his to begin with, but this season put the icing on the cake.

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                      • duke dynamite
                        #IndyForever
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 13377

                        #12
                        Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                        Originally posted by Since86
                        You're missing out on the bonding!
                        Aww...

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                        • BillS
                          Angry Old Poster
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 21634

                          #13
                          Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                          Originally posted by Since86
                          You're missing out on the bondage!
                          fixed.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • duke dynamite
                            #IndyForever
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 13377

                            #14
                            Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                            Originally posted by Since86
                            You're missing out on the bondage!
                            Originally posted by BillS
                            fixed.
                            Umm, wow.

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                            • vnzla81
                              Member
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 68006

                              #15
                              Re: I called out JOB a year ago. It's all about patterns.

                              Originally posted by duke dynamite
                              I gave up on Jim's "system" probably right after the 5-game win streak ended. This isn't anything new by any means.
                              this is new to me, I never thought you would say that you don't like "THE CLOWN", because almost everytime UNCLEBUCK is defending him, even though we don't see your opinion, you seem to agree by thanking him for the comments.
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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