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It was a very good show and he goes into why he does certain things that he does, and frankly IMO the explanations are reasonable. Including the small ball.
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
1/2 way through it, this morning on the treadmill. He really does make some good points!
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
Appreciate the thread
Obie is a smooth talker, and what he says makes sense, but
He contridicts himself constantly and his "plan" is constinently moving in different directions. It is confusing as a fan, can only imagine how it is to play for him
By the way I always thought Obie would make a great assistant coach in charge of the offenseSittin on top of the world!Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
If I didn't listen to Obie's weekly show, I think I'd want him out, now and vehemently so.
Listening to him, though, I think he is the coach of a losing team who knows what he's doing and has limited resources to win. I'm not saying he's Larry Brown (coach I personally hold in the highest regard), but he is a good coach, I'm convinced.
Is he the right guy to have here and keep through the rebuild? I'm not sure, but in spite of what many think of him, he knows basketball and I do think he's a good coach.
Maybe, I'm drinking the koolaid and I believe what he's saying too much, but he's a no nonsense guy who isn't a crazy control freak (my preferred style) and he knows the game (he has good reasons he's doing the things he does and I've seen him manage situations in games very effectively (Danny back door inbound bucket in Cleveland after Lebrons inbound back door bucket last year, FTW)).
Maybe not the answer here, but he is a good coach and should be coaching somewhere, imo.
I can and do disagree with some things he does/doesn't do as a fan, but I do respect him and appreciate that he knows what he's doing. It's just not always right, but thats the nature of it and that is amplied by losing so much.Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
I can't listen to it now while I'm at work, but I will say this.
Communism when you talk about it sounds like a hell of an idea too. Putting it into practice is when it goes wrong.
JOb can talk all he wants about why he does certain things, but we've seen what happens when they try them on the basketball court. Everything makes sense when you have the ability to talk through it and communicate what your thought process is.
Not everyone has the ability to translate those thoughts into action. That's the problem. He can talk until he's blue in the face about why it's a good idea to do things a certain way. But we've seen the outcomes from it.“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
He sounds like a guy that thinks he's figured it out. Going by what he is saying, it sounds like he's done using Murphy and Hibbert together for longer stretches. He wants to put out a more athletic lineup.
I'm okay with Price playing some SG - he's a combo guard. I'm happy to see Granger play power forward when Hibbert is in. I think defensively they fit together pretty well.
There is still a long way to go through this season. We may see some very good things the rest of the way out."man, PG has been really good."Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
Have you ever played the game of "Yhatzee!"? I'm sure you do, but some here may not.
What happens is that you get 5 dice. Like poker, you need to find the best combination of numbers on the 5 dice you can to fill a specific need. You get three chances to find that combination you want to work with. After that, you either get what you want, close to that, a chance or nothing at all. You forfeit your turn.
Now what O'Brien has been doing is trying to find the same thing. But instead of just 3 chances he gets at least 82. That's an awful lot of chances.
So far it looks like he's had to keep rolling the dice from the cup. (By the way, the cup is a metaphor for the roster.)
What he also has to his advantage is that he gets to use his chance. Basically, after 82 games he adds up what production his final throw was, and that is our W-L ratio, compared to the total number on each of the 5 dice.
Looking at it this way, he is in control, because it's still uncertain what all is in the cup. You may need three 5's, but you only were able to roll and get 2. That leaves you short. Still looking at it, developing the young players is trying to get a small or large straight. So far I think he's been given the decent rolls (forcing them to play due to injuries).
I still feel that the coach is doing the best with what we've got. By no means is he going to get a Yhatzee with this group, but thinking by and large this current lineup may be on to something.
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
I'll stick with your dice games. Crap. (I could go in multiple directions here!)
No, I'm specifically talking about Craps, the dice game. There are those that are really good at coming up with winning throws. They hold the dice the same way, throw it the same way, put the same speed on the throw, etc. And they win with that combination. They might not throw 7's every time, but they throw them more often than not.
JOb found that throwing technique, for some of us atleast, and used it for a short time. Then when a new girl came up to the table (Murph returning from injury) he decided it would be a good idea to scrap that winning throw, and start tossing them a new way. A new way that wasn't producing the same results.
EDIT: No one will ever convince me playing Troy Murphy 28mins a game is coaching the best way for this ball club. Cut that number down to 20mins or so, and I'll be in agreement. Especially when he plays him heavy mins in the 4th when his production is down.
All summer he complained that he needed better defensive players. And yet DJones got a DNP-CD a few games ago. "Things that make you go huh."Last edited by Since86; 01-15-2010, 02:38 PM.“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
I know he's not making them lose games. They aren't that good of a team to begin with.
Murphy is the best example of what's wrong with JOb and his basketball philosophy. Without Murphy, he's cornered into using a lineup that suits my ideals of how the team should be coached. When Troy is available, he has the tools to revert back to the style that makes me want to pull out my hair.“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
well....glad i did listen to this show....altough...not sure if im still sold on JOb.....i understand that he is trying differnt line up combos.....but i disagree with him in saying that playing small is our best lineup....I CANT SPELL!
THERE ARE THOSE THAT HAVE AND THOSE THAT WILL!Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
Like I said, I'm not calling for him to benched like TJ. I don't want him playing 28mins a game. He needs to be scaled back to the 20 range.
Having Murphy play the 5 for a couple of minutes isn't a BAD thing. It's when he plays there for extended minutes, or even starts there. Roy can spread the floor effectively by his ability to make good passes, and his ability to score on the block. He requires special attention down there from multiple defenders.
When help defenders lock on to someone other than their assignment it sets up a lot of options for the other offensive players.
I see benefits of establishing the game inside-out, and I see benefits of establishing it outside-in. It depends on the situation, lineup, etc. But often times there is no inside game. It just stays outside, and that is way too one dimensional.“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.Comment
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Re: You should really check out the Jim O'Brien show from yesterday (01/14/10)
Duke, selecting the best roster shouldn't be "random". This isn't his first job as a coach either.
A monkey hitting a random lineup button could coach using the Yahtzee method.
This is exactly what Since86 is on about, JOB does talk a great game. You leave saying "yeah, that does make sense". Cult members leave meetings thinking the same thing.
The issue isn't whether JOB has reasons, it's whether or not he has SMART reasons. Coaches learn which things sound good on paper but don't work, and they quickly learn why they don't work.
I shouldn't be able to see that AJ is the PG with the best ability to pass the ball and run the offense back in July and have JOB still not using him as though that was true.
In fact here is the best example - Troy is getting beat badly on defense but hitting a pretty nice rate of his 3s.
Larry Brown - I had to take him out because he was hurting our defense too much. Reasonable
Jim O'Brien - I had to leave him in because we needed his outside shooting. Reasonable.
They can even both be right if they have different rosters or systems. Assume the same roster though, but the system falls into the same logic, they each use a system that "makes sense" when they explain it.
But not all systems work the same.
If I told you that Phil Jackson watched Pacers games and disagreed with 90% of the moves JOB made, would you say that JOB was always right simply because he has reasons for doing things?
I lost baseball games using what I thought were good reasons. They didn't work. I coached that game poorly and didn't give my team the best chance to win.
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