Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

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  • imawhat
    Bring Back David West
    • Aug 2006
    • 10891

    #1

    Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)



    Originally posted by TJ Ford
    "I don't think I'm feeling the game out and letting the game come to me," Ford said. "I think my whole mentality is to be aggressive. They didn't want me to be so aggressive. I tried to channel it down, but it didn't work.

    "It's more of a come down and pass it scenario. That's not the style where I'm effective as far as passing. I've got to go back to doing what I know how to do best, and that's attacking."
    Uh oh.

    I agree with Ford on how he should be used. This should become interesting.
  • theboyjwo
    Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 221

    #2
    Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

    Originally posted by imawhat
    http://www.indystar.com/article/2009...en-he-expected



    Uh oh.

    I agree with Ford on how he should be used. This should become interesting.
    Hells yeah! He should be attacking. If he was on a team with wing players who could attack the basket then he could tone it down and pass it first. But he isn't. He is the only guy on this team who can consistently break down his defender which causes the help defense to move over, hopefully opening up a nice pass for an open shot.
    Last edited by theboyjwo; 12-22-2009, 01:08 PM.

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    • Brad8888
      Fatman the Malevolent
      • Dec 2008
      • 3892

      #3
      Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)



      Just horrible news, despite the likelihood of it being true.

      Bench him now, before he finishes the job of destroying what little offensive continuity that is being brought to the table by Dunleavy.

      Better yet, put him in street clothes and give Price all of his minutes.

      Make O'B do the right thing here Larry, please, for the love of all that is holy!

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      • theboyjwo
        Member
        • Jun 2006
        • 221

        #4
        Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

        Hey if it means this team will start playing more like last years then Its an improvement in my opinion.

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        • Speed
          Member
          • Jan 2006
          • 9266

          #5
          Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

          Ya I think the losing is starting to wear thin on all of them. Obie coming out and saying he didn't trust BRush to inbound the ball. Dunleavy visibly saying stuff about going for 2, on the court. Bird's head shaking. Obie being jittery and nervous. I mean it's not surprising that it's taking it's toll, but I think we are starting to see little things that are a result of losing.

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          • able
            Grumpy Old Man (PD host)
            • Jan 2004
            • 10246

            #6
            Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

            Slowly but surely it has to sink in that JOB is not the right coach and that TJ and Murph are a waste of space?
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            • CableKC
              Member
              • Mar 2005
              • 36691

              #7
              Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

              I guess the question is what is the difference between how Ford was used in Toronto and how he is used here in Indy.

              In Toronto, I'm guessing that his game appears to be the same where he was an effective scorer but still a somewhat effective creator on the offensive end ( clearly with a higher Assist average ). But here in Indy, his game has translated more into a "shoot first, pass second" Guard that is more of a "SG then a PG".

              What is the difference ( other then the Coach and offensive system run ) between Toronto and Indy?
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              • OakMoses
                Member
                • May 2006
                • 3048

                #8
                Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                If TJ doesn't like it, he's got a player option for next season.
                "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                - Salman Rushdie

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                • Mr_Smith
                  pacer fan since 88-89
                  • May 2009
                  • 4430

                  #9
                  Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                  I haven't noticed if this has been happening all season, but did anybody notice last night that when Rush or Ford mad a bad pass or a turnover, OB immediately took them out and put D. Jones and Watson in.
                  Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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                  • Naptown_Seth
                    NaptownSeth is all feel
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 12714

                    #10
                    Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                    TJ had several drives where he got a look that was far better than his normal. He then awkwardly passed out of those. Contrast that with his attacking where he goes all out until he's trapped, then pulls a bail out pass.

                    So yes, he wasn't good at "sharing", but no, that doesn't make being selfish A-OK. It makes him a lousy PG. Especially if he's giving up on the "experiment" after one game.

                    This idea that only he can score is dumb. You think Mark Jackson wouldn't have found ways to get Hibbert, Rush and DJones going?


                    TJ has one key problem - awareness. He has almost no sense of what other players want to do, where they can or will go, how they can work with him and most importantly how he can set them up.

                    His version of PG is "I break em down, get into the paint, maybe shoot or kick it to you because you're probably open if I'm in the lane with the ball".

                    Seriously, that's not sarcasm on my part, that's my evaluation of his methodology as though I were an opposing coaching trying to figure out what he was going to do. So I draw him into traps inside, pin down the easy bailout and either strip the ball, get a really forced ugly shot, or get an awkward and maybe high arcing pass. If he wants to try and beat me with his one-legged fade jumper then more power to him.

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                    • Naptown_Seth
                      NaptownSeth is all feel
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 12714

                      #11
                      Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                      Obie coming out and saying he didn't trust BRush to inbound the ball
                      What?!? Is this in another thread? If so he's a dolt. Has he not seen Troy Murphy throwing away pass after pass in his own backcourt. Outlets AND in-bounds, for easy TO and scores. He had 7 TOs last night and several were of this variety.

                      I get that sometiems you throw an outlet pass to the other team, but 1-2 times every game for weeks at a time??? It's almost like he's throwing the game at times.

                      But he and TJ get all the JOB trust. It's beyond my understanding now with those 3.

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                      • Naptown_Seth
                        NaptownSeth is all feel
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 12714

                        #12
                        Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                        Originally posted by able
                        Slowly but surely it has to sink in that JOB is not the right coach and that TJ and Murph are a waste of space?
                        Well you certainly got it right on the "slowly" part at least. "Certainly"?? Not so sure.

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                        • odeez
                          Member
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 3773

                          #13
                          Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                          Originally posted by able
                          Slowly but surely it has to sink in that JOB is not the right coach and that TJ and Murph are a waste of space?
                          True Dat!
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                          • Putnam
                            Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 8727

                            #14
                            Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                            Originally posted by Speed
                            Obie coming out and saying he didn't trust BRush to inbound the ball.
                            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth
                            What?!? Is this in another thread? If so he's a dolt.
                            It's from this morning's Star:

                            Originally posted by Mike Wells
                            O'Brien had Dahntay Jones (14 percent on 3-pointers) in the game because he didn't trust Brandon Rush to throw the ball inbounds to go with Ford (1-of-28 on 3-pointers) and rookie Tyler Hansbrough (0-of-4 on 3-pointers)."(Jones) is a much better inbounder," O'Brien said.
                            "We did not want Michael because it's much too easy to guard Michael when he's inbounding the basketball. Brandon is not an option."
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                            • Hicks
                              Member
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 53117

                              #15
                              Re: Ford not on court when he expected (IndyStar)

                              Not only did he say that about Brandon, but what really throws me is that we're not talking a "2 seconds left" situation. There were TWENTY seconds left.

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