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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

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  • #31
    Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

    It's still early, remember, Rush hit a streak of great games last season and kind of fell off, but I can't say that I am not impressed with his recent play.

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    • #32
      Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

      It doesn't surprise me. It was his scoring and high energy that made him a legend in college. He has a nose for the basket due to being both smart and aggressive (also explains his high FTAs) and he's got a pretty nice jump shot to back it up.

      None of the doubters' reasons for why his scoring wouldn't translate to the NBA hold much weight; he's clearly big enough, athletic enough, and skilled enough. Now that he's back in game shape and the rust is shed he's showing glimpses of just how good he can be.

      With all of that said, he has to work on his overall game before he becomes our PF of the future - his rebounding and passing are both sub-par.

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      • #33
        Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

        No.

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        • #34
          Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

          Originally posted by judicata View Post
          I just hope to God they don't take Aldrich or Singler.
          Sweet Mother of God. If they take Singler, I might have to jump ship.

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          • #35
            Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

            He looks great (so far) compared to everyone that was drafted around him...

            T Will - Shooting 34% from the field

            Henderson - Getting only 9 minutes a game in Charlotte

            Earl Clark - 9 minutes, 3.5 pts

            James Johnson - Riding the pine in Chicago

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            • #36
              Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

              Originally posted by Mr. Sobchak View Post
              He looks great (so far) compared to everyone that was drafted around him...

              T Will - Shooting 34% from the field

              Henderson - Getting only 9 minutes a game in Charlotte

              Earl Clark - 9 minutes, 3.5 pts

              James Johnson - Riding the pine in Chicago
              He is looking better than Blair too(a guy many people here wanted)
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              • #37
                Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                I do see this often, where Tyler plays with so much hustle, he starts gasping for air during breaks. I saw him do that a lot in college and at least I know that it isn't an injury-related thing.

                However, maybe working on controlling how intense he plays really calms him down enough to where he focuses better on his shots.

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                • #38
                  Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                  Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                  I do see this often, where Tyler plays with so much hustle, he starts gasping for air during breaks. I saw him do that a lot in college and at least I know that it isn't an injury-related thing.

                  However, maybe working on controlling how intense he plays really calms him down enough to where he focuses better on his shots.
                  so are you trying to say that you might starting to like this pick now? maybe?
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                  • #39
                    Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                    Tyler was the safest pick the Pacers could have had. I advocated them taking him a month before the draft.

                    He's the type of player that has a chance to carve a niche for himself in Indiana. It would have been a bigger surprise to me if he wasn't doing well at this point. He's roughly a finished product skill-wise. His only growth in the NBA is going to be adjusting to NBA defenders.

                    Do I think he's a superstar, or even a perennial all-star? No, and I don't think he ever will be. But I also don't think that's really a bad thing, given where he was drafted.

                    Historically, the Pacers have had a lot of success drafting players like that. Dale and Antonio Davis, Rik Smits. Detlef Schrempf, Travis Best, etc. Not dominating players, but you put enough of them together with one or two all-stars, and you have a consistently good basketball team.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                      Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                      It's still early, remember, Rush hit a streak of great games last season and kind of fell off, but I can't say that I am not impressed with his recent play.
                      I don't think his style tends to fall off. His game is nothing but pure aggression and effort at this point...and that amounts to a constant. Yes, he has skills but his shooting stroke is not there yet...and it doesn't seem to matter. He still brings value to the court when he shoots 38%.

                      The only way I see him "falling off" is if he became less aggressive. If that happens, he is finished...but I'm not sure if he knows how to play any other way, so I'm not too concerned.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                        Originally posted by judicata View Post
                        This year is going to be nuts for that kind of player, assuming Cousins, Davis, Patterson, and a few other guys leave early. Patterson and Davis are the kind of guys the Bird would take, too.

                        That being said, I think the point guard situation needs to be addressed first.

                        I just hope to God they don't take Aldrich or Singler.
                        I agree about the PG spot but there is not much to pick from on the next draft for that.
                        Maybe in a trade. At PF there is some depth to choose from.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          so are you trying to say that you might starting to like this pick now? maybe?
                          Umm, I can't say that I never wanted Tyler.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                            What I am pleasantly surprised about with TH is his one on one defense of other bigs.
                            He is pretty good at it. He is strong enough to hold his ground and has good lateral
                            quickness around the block. Out front he is a little more vulnerable.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                              Originally posted by OrganizedConfusion View Post
                              I wonder how much of this recent success has to do with teams not scouting him properly. I think some of these predictions are jumping the gun, we'll see how good he is in a few months when teams are more familiar with his game.
                              I don't think it will be that big of a factor.

                              Here's the deal: If his outside shot is falling—which it usually is; he's more consistent than streaky—then you have to guard him, and he's really quick, and can get around you for the effective move to the basket.

                              Scout that all you want. He will burn you one way or the other.

                              P.S. He reminds a little of Barkley. Undersized but effective at scoring against bigs.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Did Anyone Think Hansbrough Would Be This Good So Soon?

                                Did I dare to dream of 8.5 on 38.5% FG with 4.4 rebounds from a top 15 pick PF?


                                Foster is shooting 50%. Even Brandon Rush is shooting a better Adjusted FG% thanks to his 3pt range, and he's struggled early on to hit shots. Oh, and Brandon also has 4.4 rebounds per game. The shooting guard.

                                TWill is getting more rebounds per game, and is shooting almost the same. The guy who was knocked for having shooting problems and has struggled to make shots this year...he's almost shooting it as well at Tyler and outrebounding him. I think TWill has struggled so far and doesn't fit with the Nets system, I wouldn't dream of citing his early season as some impressive achievement.


                                This is your reality check. If you don't turn on Sportscenter and say "man, did you think TWill would be this good this soon" then don't say it about Tyler.

                                BTW, Tyler is 24 years old. He's older than Roy, AJ, and McBob. He's only 4 months younger than Brandon, and only 2 years younger than Granger and TJ Ford. So "this soon" doesn't apply quite the same.

                                Blair is shooting 59% with 5.2 boards and 0.6 blocks. Undersized Blair.

                                Of the 23 qualified rookies only 2 others (TWill, Maynor) are shooting a worse AdjFG%. Did anyone think Tyler would be one of the worst shooting rookies in this class?

                                Did I think Brandon Jennings and Stephan Curry would have more Blocks per game than Tyler?



                                I'm happy to see Tyler showing signs of being productive against two of the weaker teams in the NBA. I hope he keeps it up when things turn tough again because clearly the team needs help.

                                But why do we have to have this insanely early proclamation of Tyler's talent level. I mean if we are going to do this then I guess we need to drum back up the Blair vs Tyler thread since Blair is "this good so soon".




                                I've seen this too many times, even done it myself. You are in love with the idea of Tyler because he's the rookie. McCloud, Sealy and Tidale. Add Croshere, Fred Jones and others to the mix.
                                Tisdale was 51% for 14.9 points and 7.2 rebounds his rookie year, at age 21.
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