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  • Re: The Draft ???

    Here's who I'm interested in. My comments are in red. Other comments are from ESPN. http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...draftyear=2010

    First Tier
    Name.....................
    ht-wt-pos
    ESPN Comments
    What they say that I think significant
    John Wall
    6'4-185-PG
    Positives:
    # Freakish athletic point guard
    # Great size for his position
    # Explosive leaping ability
    # Very quick first step
    # Flies up and down the court
    # Big-time penetrator and finisher at the rim
    # Solid passer, can be creative
    # Decent midrange jumper
    # Great rebounder for a guard

    Negatives:
    # Needs to improve his 3-point jump shot
    # Still needs to improve his decision-making skills with the ball
    # Needs more intensity on the defensive end
    Draft Projection: No. 1 pick

    Wall isn't super-athletic -- he's extraterrestrially athletic. He's been compared to Derrick Rose, and truthfully, he's even more explosive. While Wall doesn't have Rose's steadiness on or off the court, when you turn him loose, he's virtually impossible to guard.

    . . . one NBA executive told me he believes Wall will be the third-best No. 1 prospect this decade, behind only LeBron James and Dwight Howard.
    Evan Turner
    6'7-205-SG
    Does play the point
    Positives:
    # Great size for a 2 guard
    # Can play three positions on the floor
    # Excellent ball handler
    # Good athlete
    # Very good at getting to the basket
    # Excellent rebounder for a guard
    # Improving shooter
    # Aggressive defender
    # Excellent free-throw shooter

    Negatives:
    # Needs to continue to add strength
    # Needs a more consistent long-range jump shot
    # Turnover prone
    Draft Projection: Top 5

    (Comment before he got hurt)
    No one has had a better start to the season than OSU's Turner. He has already posted two triple-doubles and is averaging 20 ppg, 13 rpg and nearly 7 apg. Turner's move to the point has come much more naturally than we thought, and it's hard to name a more complete player in America. Like Wall, Turner needs to improve his 3-point shooting and cut down on the turnovers, but his steady play has moved him all the way up to No. 3 on our Big Board.
    Second Tier
    Demarcus Cousins
    6'11-260-C
    Positives:
    # Great size, NBA body
    # Huge wingspan
    # Very skilled for a big man
    # Can dominate inside and out
    # Soft hands, great footwork
    # Great perimeter shot
    # Legit 3-point range
    # Solid handle for a big man
    # Good athlete when in shape

    Negatives:
    # Questionable motor
    # Lacks great conditioning
    # Not an explosive leaper
    # Can be an indifferent defender
    Draft Projection: Top 5

    Cousins just put up his sixth straight double-double on Saturday. His consistency on the floor is quickly overshadowing concerns about him off the floor. More and more GMs are telling me that they'd likely overlook some of the concerns about his work ethic and temper on draft night.

    (I think we should probably pass, but if the Pacers pick him after checking him out I will be okay with it. The problem I see is unscrupulous people baiting him into trouble since he has a temper)
    Derrick Favors
    6'9-215-PF
    Positives:
    # Long, athletic big man
    # Good frame and strength for age
    # Freakish leaping ability
    # Terrific in the open court
    # Strong rebounder and shot-blocker
    # Emerging offensive game
    # Likes to attack the basket
    # Strong finisher at the rim
    # Has some low-post moves, decent footwork
    # Perimeter skills out to about 18 feet

    Negatives:
    # Needs polish, especially on offensive end
    # Lacks a consistent go to scoring move
    # Needs to improve his ball handling
    Draft Projection: Top 5

    Favors forces opponents to deal with his excellent size and length in the paint all game long, hanging around the rim the way a great center in hockey loiters in front of the goal. He punishes weaker or smaller players, and better defensive bigs are less able to help on drives because of his presence. It's a very valuable talent, bettered by his ability to score once he gets the ball. Players who do this don't have to rely on post feeds to score, as they can get garbage buckets too.

    Favors projects to do similar things in the NBA, as he has the hands required to make those kinds of plays, and the power jumping to finish them. I don't see him as a special bucket getter just yet, like Amare Stoudemire or Al Jefferson, but we'll be watching for that all season (by David Thorpe).
    Third Tier
    Greg Monroe
    6'11-250-PF
    Positives:
    # Big man with NBA body
    # Lefty
    # Long, 7-foot-2 wingspan
    # Can score from anywhere
    # Good jump shot
    # Strong back-to-the-basket game
    # Excellent ball handler
    # Basketball IQ
    # Unselfish

    Negatives:
    # Lacks explosive athleticism
    # Doesn't always play with great intensity
    # Isn't a gritty rebounder
    # Needs to add strength
    # Lacks toughness
    Draft Projection: Lottery

    I continue to field more questions about Georgetown big man Greg Monroe than any other prospect in the draft not named John Wall. The questions all ask why Monroe could've been ranked in the top 10 last season but not ranked in the lottery this season. Monroe is a year older and is having a very good sophomore season. Plus, unlike last year, his team is winning.

    Monroe's supporters point to a series of strong games of late, including a 29-point, 16-rebound, 4-block performance against Villanova, a 21-point, 14-rebound, 7-assist game against Rutgers and, most recently, a 21-point, 5-rebound, 5-assist game versus Duke.

    How can a 6-11 big man with this many skills not be in the lottery? I sometimes ask the same question. All I can say is that NBA scouts aren't sold. They think Monroe isn't athletic enough, and they question his motor.

    In between the aforementioned games we just spoke of, he had some rocky outings, including eight-point performances against both Seton Hall and Syracuse. He also went 4-for-14 from the field against Pittsburgh.

    With so many 4s who have extreme athleticism in front of him, including Patrick Patterson, Ekpe Udoh, Larry Sanders and Whiteside, he's having problems distinguishing himself.

    Still, I wonder whether teams will change their tune as we get closer to the draft. Monroe has the size to be a center in the NBA. He is a terrific passer. He's very skilled, and when he's playing hard, he can dominate. We'll continue to watch his stock closely. Be patient, Monroe fans. His stock may improve soon enough.
    Patrick Patterson
    6'8-245-PF
    Positives:
    # Long, athletic big man
    # NBA body and strength
    # Explosive leaper
    # Excellent shot-blocker and rebounder
    # Good finisher around the rim
    # Has range on his jump shot out to 15 feet
    # Plays physical in the paint

    Negatives:
    # Lacks ideal size at the 4
    # Needs to be in better shape
    # Still very raw with his low-post moves
    Draft Projection: Lottery

    Since his freshman year, Patterson has always been hovering somewhere between 18 and 30 on our Big Board. He's shown the makings of being a solid NBA big man prospect, but never superstar potential. This year, things are beginning to change. Patterson has diversified his game, improved his rebounding, is showing even better range on his jump shot and still is managing to shoot nearly 70 percent from the field. In his big matchup against UNC's vaunted front line of Ed Davis and Deon Thompson Saturday, it was Patterson who looked like the best prospect on the floor. For the first time since Patterson appeared on our Big Board two-and-a-half years ago, he's now cracked the lottery.
    Hassan Whiteside
    6'11-225-C
    Positives:
    # Long, athletic forward
    # Explosive leaper
    # Very quick for a big man
    # A terror on the defensive end
    # Dominating shot-blocker
    # Good rebounder

    Negatives:
    # Needs to strength
    # Raw offensively
    # Horrific free throw shooter
    # Old for his class
    Draft Projection: Lottery

    Whiteside is a terrific athlete with a pterodactyl-like wingspan who has been causing havoc in the lane with his shot-blocking and rebounding abilities. He's also showing some raw talent on the offensive end lately.

    "Think a young, skinny Camby with a jumper. He doesn't board as well as Camby, but he has his shot-blocking ability, build and a tendency to spend time away from the paint. He needs another 20 pounds of strength and has to play harder. He can run but rarely does."

    I'm not sure exactly what to do with Whiteside. He just recorded his second triple-double of his freshman season (and almost logged a third). The more NBA scouts go to watch him play, the more they come back intrigued. Scratch that. Infatuated. There just aren't many players with his physical profile. He's a legit 6-foot-11. He's a terrific rebounder and shot-blocker. He runs the floor like a deer. And, while far from having a polished offensive game, he's aggressive around the rim.
    Solomon Alabi
    7'1-245-C
    Positives:
    # Long, athletic big man
    # Excellent leaper
    # Great shot-blocker
    # Runs the floor well for a big man
    # Good motor
    # Emerging low-post game
    # Charismatic kid, natural leader

    Negatives:
    # Needs to add strength
    # Still raw on the offensive end
    # Under performing rebounder
    Draft Projection: Late lottery to mid first round

    When NBA executives track his improvement over the years, they can't help but come to the conclusion that he will continue to get much better over time. He makes over 80 percent of his free throws. He can score around the basket with either hand. He can face up and make 15-foot jumpers. He uses great technique to front post players and he's fearless inside the paint, despite being outweighed by almost every player he faces, though not by as much as he used to be. Not to mention that Alabi has only played basketball for six years or so.

    That he's a good shotblocker is no surprise, given his physical gifts. Doing so while anchoring an excellent defensive unit without fouling (only averages 2.2 a game) is certainly impressive.

    (I think maturity along with the weight that comes with it will help his rebounding. I like the thought of the Pacers having twin towers. I also like the thought of a center that you can’t foul at the end of games, so Alabi is a favorite of mine.)
    Others I like who could move up
    Ekpe Udoh
    6'10-240-PF
    Positives:
    # Long, lanky shot blocker
    # Above average rebounder, especially on the offfensive glass
    # Good athlete with solid leaping ability
    # Improving offensive player
    # Has a solid mid range game
    # Can even shoot the three in limited circumstances

    Negatives:
    # Still a little raw offensively
    # Needs to improve basketball IQ
    # Needs to get stronger
    # Needs to improve lateral quickness
    Draft Projection: Late lottery to mid first round

    More and more scouts have been making it out to Baylor games and most have come away impressed with Udoh's unorthodox combination of size, athleticism and shot-blocking skills. There are a number of other players, including VCU's Larry Sanders and Mississippi State's Jarvis Varnado, who came in with stronger preseason résumés, but it's been Udoh who has continually outperformed them on the court. "You just look at the energy, the shot-blocking and then you see him doing some stuff, taking guys off the dribble, and it's hard to see how that guy can't be successful in the NBA," one GM told Insider. "If he was a little more explosive athletically, I think he'd be a top-five pick."
    Larry Sanders
    6'10-220-PF
    Positives:
    # Long, athletic forward
    # Terrific rebounder and shot-blocker
    # Making progress on the offensive end
    # Has some basic moves in the paint
    # Improving perimeter shooter

    Negatives:

    # Very raw right now
    # Still needs more time to develop
    # Needs to improve offensive moves
    Draft Projection: Late lottery to mid first round

    Though he's built like an NBA 3, his lack of skills help project him to be a 4 or a 5. No matter, because as an "athlete," he has a chance to help a team at either spot. I don't worry much about his weight now (reports suggest it's 220 pounds), as he should have no trouble getting to 240 within a few years. And though that might seem light for an inside player, it has its advantages, too. He is a very bouncy guy with a wingspan over 7-5, and he competes hard.
    Jarvis Varnado
    6'9-210-PF
    Positives:
    # Explosive athlete
    # Long arms, a huge 7-foot-4 wingspan
    # Elite defender
    # Amazing shot blocker
    # Excellent rebounder
    # Improving perimeter game

    Negatives:
    # Still pretty raw on the offensive end of the ball
    # Needs to add strength, bulk
    # Questionable motor at times
    # Questionable hands
    Draft Projection: Late first to early second

    Varnado is the best shot-blocker in the country and a terrific rebounder. Scouts want to love him. The league needs more elite shot-blockers. But to really earn that love, he's going to have to improve a pretty raw offensive game. He has an emerging perimeter game and is making progress on his footwork, but he's going to have to show it consistently in the SEC this year to move high in the draft.
    Last edited by Will Galen; 02-26-2010, 09:15 PM.

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    • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

      here are some videos of my guy Greivis Vasquez

      Birthday: 1/16/87NBA Position: PG/SGClass: SeniorHt: 6-6Wt: 197


      Adi Joseph - 12/23/2007
      Strengths: Vasquez displays incredible on-court intensity and passion for the game ... He can control the game when his emotions take over and his shots start falling ... He attacks the rim relentlessly and has a knack for getting himself into the lane... His court vision, especially from the perimeter, is outstanding and his passing ability is notable ... His stamina seems endless, it's obvious he works hard on conditioning ... He possesses great size for a point guard ... His length allows him to disrupt passing lanes and his intensity could translate into him becoming a stand-out defender one day ... He has a tendency to step up in big games ... Excellent rebounder for his position ...









      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

        What's everyone's opinion on the Pacers' possible draft positions?

        For me, I'd be happy with 3 or higher, content with 4 or 5, mildly to extremely disappointed with 6-10, and disgusted with anything higher than #10.

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        • Re: The Draft ???

          Here's a thought I haven't seen discussed much: what will Utah do with the pick they have coming from NY? As of today, their pick is only one slot behind ours. Would they trade down, and what are the chances we could pull a Minnesota (but in a good way) and land two picks in the top 10?

          And if that happens, do you trade two top 10 picks for the #1 overall? Is Wall really worth *that* much?
          Last edited by ToasterBusVIP; 02-27-2010, 01:12 AM.

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          • Re: The Draft ???

            Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
            If the Pacers don't get one of the top 2 picks, i can honestly see the pick getting traded, or players getting traded on or leading up to draft day

            The Pacers need help in quite a few positions, and so unless it's someone you really feel can help the team or become special, a lottery pick is pretty valuable, especially as high as the Pacers will be picking.
            Not necessarily. Because we'll have so much cap space after this next season, ideally 20-30mil, you don't need to necessarily trade a high pick (5-10) for a pair of picks late in the first round because you're so desperate to fill your needs. Whichever glaring issue, PG or PF, we don't address in the draft we will be able to fill through a trade or big name FA as soon as there's someone available we want.

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            • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

              Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
              What's everyone's opinion on the Pacers' possible draft positions?

              For me, I'd be happy with 3 or higher, content with 4 or 5, mildly to extremely disappointed with 6-10, and disgusted with anything higher than #10.
              Here’s how we can finish and the seasons percentage.

              Finish
              14-10=.402
              13-11=.390
              12-12=.378
              11-13=.365
              10-14=.353
              9-15=.341
              8-16=.329
              7-17=.317
              6-18=.304
              5-19=.292
              4-20=.280

              We are currently 19-29, a .328* winning percentage. If we look back at other seasons here’s where those records would have us finishing. For example if we had played our current winning percentage last year we would have finished 7th. However if we had played out current percentage in 06-07, we would have finished with the 3rd worst record. Of course in reality if we would have had different records other teams would have too, but this is just to see what a certain percentage brings.
              %
              08-09
              07-08
              06-07
              05-06
              04-05
              03-04
              02-03
              01-02
              .402
              9
              9
              8
              6
              7
              7
              8
              8
              .390
              8
              8
              6
              6
              7
              7
              8
              8
              .378
              7
              7
              5
              6
              7
              7
              8
              8
              .365
              7
              7
              4
              6
              6
              7
              7
              7
              .353
              7
              7
              4
              6
              6
              6
              7
              6
              .341
              7
              7
              3
              6
              6
              4
              6
              5
              .329*
              7
              7
              3
              5
              5
              4
              5
              4
              .317
              7
              7
              3
              3
              4
              4
              5
              4
              .304
              7
              7
              2
              3
              4
              3
              4
              4
              .292
              5
              7
              2
              3
              4
              3
              3
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              .280
              4
              5
              2
              2
              4
              2
              3
              3

              I think we will finish at .317. However, if we stay at our current winning percentage that’s likely to get us 5th worst.
              Wherever we finish we will have the draft lottery to worry about.

              We can move up as many as 3 positions or fall back as many as 3.
              For example, if our record is 5th worst, we will have one of these draft spots, 1,2,3,5,6,7,8.

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              • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                What's everyone's opinion on the Pacers' possible draft positions?

                For me, I'd be happy with 3 or higher, content with 4 or 5, mildly to extremely disappointed with 6-10, and disgusted with anything higher than #10.
                i will not settle for anything lower than 1
                Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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                • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                  We can move up as many as 3 positions or fall back as many as 3.
                  For example, if our record is 5th worst, we will have one of these draft spots, 1,2,3,5,6,7,8.
                  Personally, I don't think we'll even stay at our current position. We're entering a really difficult stretch of the season on this road trip (8 of our next 9 against playoff teams, including at Lakers, Denver, Portland, Boston, and Cleveland, and the only home games in that stretch are against Philly and Charlotte. Yeah.). It gets pretty easy towards the end but realistically there's only about 3 more games that we *should* win, 3 or 4 against teams like Detroit and Washington that'll really be toss-ups, and the rest are against playoff teams and they're going to be fighting down the stretch and not likely to overlook us.

                  I'd have us going 5-19 easily, at most 8-16 if we steal a couple from teams really trying to tank at the end.

                  Looking at other teams' schedules, I'd say #2 is out of reach as Minnesota has a killer schedule ahead of them as well (Lakers x 2, Dallas x 2, San Antonio x 2). They likely won't even get to 19 wins, in my estimation.
                  Last edited by ToasterBusVIP; 02-27-2010, 02:03 AM.

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                  • Re: The Draft ???

                    Varnado. I wouldn't pick him in the lottery. But I am hoping we get pick 1 or 2 and trading up to get Varnado. He is a Ben Wallace proto-type.

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                    • Re: The Draft ???

                      Originally posted by ToasterBusVIP View Post
                      Here's a thought I haven't seen discussed much: what will Utah do with the pick they have coming from NY? As of today, their pick is only one slot behind ours. Would they trade down, and what are the chances we could pull a Minnesota (but in a good way) and land two picks in the top 10?

                      And if that happens, do you trade two top 10 picks for the #1 overall? Is Wall really worth *that* much?
                      Absolutely but who ever has the number one will not trade it away IMO. I also can't see Bird trading for 2 top 10 picks. We would have to have the 2nd or 3rd pick to bait someone but would you honestly turn down Turner if he was there?

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                      • Re: The Draft ???

                        The Pacers are most likely going to be at pick 4 or 5. There is a reasonable chance they end up at 1-3. They will have many options available. It is imperative they choose wisely.
                        Some factors are out of their control. Whiteside, Patterson and Cousins and Favors
                        are the pool they will be choosing from if not in the top 2. I am concerned about Patterson's
                        size as the Pacers already have Tyler. They need an athletic big. I am leaning toward
                        Whiteside but Favors and Cousins would seem to also fit well.
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                        • Re: The Draft ???

                          Whiteside hasn't shown that he can do his thing against quality competition. He is just eating up weaker players. He has been unimpressive in almost all of his difficult games. I would stay away imo.
                          Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                          • Re: The Draft ???

                            Originally posted by ToasterBusVIP View Post
                            Here's a thought I haven't seen discussed much: what will Utah do with the pick they have coming from NY? As of today, their pick is only one slot behind ours. Would they trade down, and what are the chances we could pull a Minnesota (but in a good way) and land two picks in the top 10?

                            And if that happens, do you trade two top 10 picks for the #1 overall? Is Wall really worth *that* much?
                            We have nothing that the Jazz would want for that draft pick. If anything....if they have 2 picks...the Knicks and their own...they'd be trading their own pick.
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • Re: The Draft ???

                              Originally posted by ToasterBusVIP View Post
                              Not necessarily. Because we'll have so much cap space after this next season, ideally 20-30mil, you don't need to necessarily trade a high pick (5-10) for a pair of picks late in the first round because you're so desperate to fill your needs. Whichever glaring issue, PG or PF, we don't address in the draft we will be able to fill through a trade or big name FA as soon as there's someone available we want.
                              I know that has been talked about over and over, but has anyone noticed how many teams have a good deal of cap space that year?

                              There are a number of teams who will be in a financial situation very similar to the Pacers. It isn't going to be as easy as many think.

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                              • Re: The Draft ???

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                We have nothing that the Jazz would want for that draft pick. If anything....if they have 2 picks...the Knicks and their own...they'd be trading their own pick.
                                Yeah you're right, I looked up their salary commitments for the next year and they're in a position to be dumping about $20 mil in contracts after this season. Plus over 20 mil the following year when Kirilenko and Okur expire. I was thinking that they might want some cap relief next year but they're doing pretty much what we are, getting ready to clean house and restock through FA or the draft. Their FO put them in a really, really good position for this coming offseason.

                                If we can get a 2nd pick from anyone it'll be a team that's desperate to shed salary for next year and jump into the feeding frenzy that is the FA market this summer. I would be all for trading Murphy or Dunleavy for someone like Okur who'd have one extra year on his deal, in exchange for getting a 2nd high first round pick. But now I don't think Utah would want or need to do that.
                                Last edited by ToasterBusVIP; 02-27-2010, 03:53 PM.

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