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Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

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  • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    I mean a guy with Danny/Shawne size who can play the 3 or 4 pretty much interchangeably, and if in doubt lean 3 instead of 4.
    Al-Farouq Aminu might fit the bill. He's more of a face-up PF, but he has better perimeter skills than his numbers would indicate. I was very impressed with him when he played against Purdue earlier this season. Last year he was lost in the shuffle with Teague and Johnson at Wake, this year he is clearly the leader and best player on the team.

    He's listed at 6-9, 215, but he looks like he has the frame to be bigger than Granger. He might benefit from staying another year at Wake to really develop his perimeter game, but he thought about coming out last year and has improved his stats across the board this season.

    Seth,

    I'm still working my way through the GT/NC game. There's a play very early in the game where Lawal gets the ball wide open under the basket. 95% of the time any NBA PF is going to get a nice dunk in that situation. Lawal seems to hesitate a bit an then get really poor lift on his jump. Davis ends up recovering to block the shot. It reminded me a lot of watching Hibbert when he just can't get it together to jump as quickly as he needs to.

    I thought athleticism was one of Lawal's long suits. Am I wrong about that?
    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

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    • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

      Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
      Wow!

      ESPN has him #18 for this year.
      http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...draftyear=2010

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      Draft Projection: Late lottery to mid first round

      Positives:

      Long, athletic forward
      Explosive leaper
      Very quick for a big man
      A terror on the defensive end
      Dominating shotblocker
      Good rebounder

      Negatives:

      Needs to strength
      Raw offensively
      Horrific free throw shooter
      Old for his class

      Summary: Dec 18 Update: Whiteside was a lightly recruited big man out of North Carolina. However, he's been dominant in the early going for Marshall. The freshman is averaging 12 points, 9 rebounds and 5 blocks per game in his first nine games. He put up a triple-double on Brescia on Wednesday night, scoring 17 points, grabbing 14 rebounds and blocking 11 shots. He nearly had a another one against Ohio: 14 points, 17 rebounds, 9 blocks. Whiteside clearly has the physical tools to be a big-time center. He is an explosive leaper, has an enormous wingspan and is very quick. He needs to add strength and polish to his offensive game, but scouts are quickly taking notice.
      You can expect scouts to be out in force Dec. 22, when Marshall hosts North Carolina. If Whiteside can put up big numbers against Ed Davis, he could rocket up the board.
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      He's 6"11 and 225, the kind of forward we need to go with in a rotation with Hibbert and Hans! He can play C with Hans and F with Hibbert, if he can get better.

      Wow, that guy sounds like he can be the perfect Dale to our Rik, if you know what I mean. Perfect compliment to Hibbert, athletic shotblocker, rebounder, can play center.
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      • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

        Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
        Wow!

        ESPN has him #18 for this year.
        http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...draftyear=2010

        ------------------------------------
        Draft Projection: Late lottery to mid first round

        Positives:

        Long, athletic forward
        Explosive leaper
        Very quick for a big man
        A terror on the defensive end
        Dominating shotblocker

        Good rebounder

        Negatives:

        Needs to strength
        Raw offensively
        Horrific free throw shooter
        Old for his class

        Summary: Dec 18 Update: Whiteside was a lightly recruited big man out of North Carolina. However, he's been dominant in the early going for Marshall. The freshman is averaging 12 points, 9 rebounds and 5 blocks per game in his first nine games. He put up a triple-double on Brescia on Wednesday night, scoring 17 points, grabbing 14 rebounds and blocking 11 shots. He nearly had a another one against Ohio: 14 points, 17 rebounds, 9 blocks. Whiteside clearly has the physical tools to be a big-time center. He is an explosive leaper, has an enormous wingspan and is very quick. He needs to add strength and polish to his offensive game, but scouts are quickly taking notice.
        You can expect scouts to be out in force Dec. 22, when Marshall hosts North Carolina. If Whiteside can put up big numbers against Ed Davis, he could rocket up the board.
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        He's 6"11 and 225, the kind of forward we need to go with in a rotation with Hibbert and Hans! He can play C with Hans and F with Hibbert, if he can get better.
        Lock him up!!!
        "To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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        • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

          Warning on Whiteside without seeing him.

          Have any of you watched Charles Garcia at Seattle U yet? If not then trust me that Whiteside might be similar. Garcia has potential, but is raw and frankly put up huge numbers against weaker competition.

          Good players can come from small schools for sure, but until you see them outplay guys like Favors, Davis, Pattson or Pittman (TX) then I think you've got to take the shocking stats with a huge grain of salt, especially ones where size/hops matter. Put Favors at Marshall, tell me he doesn't destroy people.


          Did you guys read the scouting report you posted? They ALREADY PLAYED UNC and he got crushed. Nuff said. 3-8 with 4 boards and 3 blocks.

          Davis went 7-14 with 10 boards and 3 blocks.

          Whiteside gets West Va tomorrow and they have a ton of talent. Not so much bigs, but lots overall length and are very athletic. We'll see, round 2. If he puts up a similar line then I'm not interested.

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          • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

            Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
            Al-Farouq Aminu might fit the bill. He's more of a face-up PF, but he has better perimeter skills than his numbers would indicate. I was very impressed with him when he played against Purdue earlier this season. Last year he was lost in the shuffle with Teague and Johnson at Wake, this year he is clearly the leader and best player on the team.

            He's listed at 6-9, 215, but he looks like he has the frame to be bigger than Granger. He might benefit from staying another year at Wake to really develop his perimeter game, but he thought about coming out last year and has improved his stats across the board this season.

            Seth,

            I'm still working my way through the GT/NC game. There's a play very early in the game where Lawal gets the ball wide open under the basket. 95% of the time any NBA PF is going to get a nice dunk in that situation. Lawal seems to hesitate a bit an then get really poor lift on his jump. Davis ends up recovering to block the shot. It reminded me a lot of watching Hibbert when he just can't get it together to jump as quickly as he needs to.

            I thought athleticism was one of Lawal's long suits. Am I wrong about that?
            I know the play, that's Davis biggest block of the game. Seriously. I mean in terms of being impressive, inside, against a big.

            Lawal is not really one of the athletic bigs, and at this point there seems to be those 2 options - power guys inside and athletic face up guys. Lawal is a banger, Booker too. Davis, Garcia, Brackins are more live by athletic bigs.

            Monroe has post moves, but plays a soft game. It's his quick, athletic post moves that help him, so I put him more with Davis.

            Patterson can go off dribble and shoot, but he's more a power player.

            Favors is the only mixed guy I've seen, but his awareness just stinks at this point.


            So back to Lawal, I think if you look at my scout of the game I noted that Lawal didn't have quite the height/hops to score vertical in traffic. But he has core power to push into lots of post moves and score by spacing defenders...when he's not settling for turnaround jumpers.

            I don't love Lawal, but he is interesting. Mostly he's a clear post power guy that you challenge these other guys against like a benchmark. If you can't post him then you might have problems in the NBA.

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            • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

              Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
              I'm reading he has off court issues.
              He worked at a steel mill or something part of last year to get his home life straightened out. Haven't checked into the full story.

              Found the story, Calhoun made him take a factory job as part of his suspension as a way of getting him to grow up. It seems to have worked.
              http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/column...ana&id=3769359


              I'm half done with G'town vs UConn. Quick status - Robinson very good, Monroe a big avoid (see Jordan Hill, nearly identical)

              Disappointed with Monroe. Had high expectations. But his game is soft and immature.
              Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 01-19-2010, 11:21 PM.

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              • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                Currently have the 5th pick in the draft.
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                • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                  Originally posted by owl View Post
                  Currently have the 5th pick in the draft.
                  I hope stays that way........
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                  • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                    Blair is getting kill by Boozer tonight, he is rebounding but his defense does not look to good. By the way the Bobcats just killed the Miami heat 104 to 65
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                    • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                      Aminu Dominated Ed davis, deon thompson tonight AT UNC. i love his game the more and more i watch him.

                      seems like a combonation of Tayshaun Prince and Gerald Wallace.

                      I also like Wayne Chism out of Tennessee, would be a solid contributor out of the 2nd round. (and a senior)
                      "To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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                      • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                        Originally posted by IndyProdigy View Post
                        Aminu Dominated Ed davis, deon thompson tonight AT UNC. i love his game the more and more i watch him.

                        seems like a combonation of Tayshaun Prince and Gerald Wallace.

                        I also like Wayne Chism out of Tennessee, would be a solid contributor out of the 2nd round. (and a senior)
                        You should probably spend some more time watching then. Ed Davis didn't play tonight, and while Aminu had a nice game, he was hardly dominate.

                        I like the kid, but not in the top 10.

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                        • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                          Originally posted by judicata View Post
                          You should probably spend some more time watching then. Ed Davis didn't play tonight, and while Aminu had a nice game, he was hardly dominate.

                          I like the kid, but not in the top 10.
                          Pardon but both ESPN and draft express have Aminu ranked 5th right now...

                          and neither have Davis or Favors have really been dominated yet this year but yet they are still getting top 5 love...

                          Like Thorpe said in his chat today this draft isn't full of stars but deep in solid contributors...
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                          • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                            Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                            Pardon but both ESPN and draft express have Aminu ranked 5th right now...

                            and neither have Davis or Favors have really been dominated yet this year but yet they are still getting top 5 love...

                            Like Thorpe said in his chat today this draft isn't full of stars but deep in solid contributors...
                            I agree that neither Favors or Davis have proven themselves, just like Aminu. At this point, it really is just speculative.

                            I was simply pointing out that:
                            1) Aminu was not did not dominate tonight, and
                            2) his performance was most certainly not against Ed Davis, who wore a suit and ankle tape.

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                            • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              I'm half done with G'town vs UConn. Quick status - Robinson very good, Monroe a big avoid (see Jordan Hill, nearly identical)

                              Disappointed with Monroe. Had high expectations. But his game is soft and immature.
                              I missed the game. That has been my one qualm with him is that he has been utterly inconsistent. He will look dominant at times and lost at others. It doesn't seem to matter who his opponents are either. I think he has top tier talent, but again its application might be his weakness. I never liked Jordan Hill. At all. I do like that Monroe added what seemed like some significant bulk from last year to this year though. I wonder what his mental make-up is like on and off the court.
                              "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                              • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                                At the halfway point we're in 5th place in the JWall sweepstakes...

                                New Jersey 3 38 0.073
                                Minnesota 9 34 0.209
                                Golden St. 12 28 0.3
                                Philadelphia 13 28 0.317
                                Indiana 14 28 0.333
                                Washington 14 27 0.341
                                Detroit 15 26 0.366
                                Sacramento 15 26 0.366
                                New York 17 24 0.415
                                Milwaukee 17 23 0.425
                                Chicago 18 22 0.45

                                Last season's late run made me hopeful for the future of this current team, but what I've seen thus far this season has made me turn that hope toward getting a top 5 pick next year. Nobody's catching NJ or MN of course, but there's still a chance we can move up into the top 3! Then again we're only a game or two away from falling all the way down to 8th as well...

                                Man, there are a lot of really bad teams in the NBA.

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