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Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

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  • #2236
    Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

    This is interesting.



    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...raftbuzz062210

    Draft buzz: Nets consider Johnson at No. 3

    By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

    Perhaps it won’t be long until panic starts to set into the Minnesota Timberwolves, where two things need to become increasingly clear: They’re far overvaluing Al Jefferson’s(notes) trade value; and Syracuse’s Wesley Johnson is no longer assured to be available to them with the fourth pick in Thursday’s NBA draft.

    All along, the Wolves had planned to select Johnson at No. 4, and yet the New Jersey Nets are holding serious discussions about drafting the small forward and taking their chances with trying to sign a power forward in free agency. The Nets had long favored Derrick Favors, but are debating now about how long it will take for him to become a regular contributor. New Jersey is still contemplating DeMarcus Cousins, too.

    Under general manager David Kahn, the Wolves are becoming the organization that no one wants to send players. Kahn’s condescending, abrasive style is frustrating to rival GMs and agents because few people believe he has the background, knowledge or credentials to even hold the job. To his credit, Kahn did hire a personable assistant GM, Tony Ronzone, who can work the phones for him.

    Nevertheless, Cousins wouldn’t work out for the Wolves. Nor did Georgetown center Greg Monroe, who traveled to the two teams in the next two spots, Sacramento and Golden State. Favors reluctantly worked out for the Wolves only to have Kahn insult him by calling him “out of shape.” This infuriated Favors’ agent Wallace Prather, and has strained the relationship there. It makes no sense for the Wolves to draft another power forward, anyway.

    Kahn has tried to assure agents he’s going to move Jefferson before the season, but it won’t be long until he realizes how little value his power forward has with such an expensive contract and a reconstructed knee. The Wolves have two power forwards, Jefferson and Kevin Love(notes), who don’t complement each other, and no center.

    Minnesota wants Memphis’ Rudy Gay(notes) in free agency, but sources say the only way Gay will even consider the Wolves is if they massively overpay him. That’s why the Wolves were so determined to draft Johnson and why they have to be terrified that he could be gone at No. 4.

    The Wolves are also willing to move point guard Jonny Flynn(notes), and have discussed a deal with the Indiana Pacers, sources said. The Wolves are willing to part with the 16th and 23rd picks as part of a bigger package to move up to No. 10. This way, the Wolves could possibly gain the leverage to make a deal with Philadelphia to secure the No. 2 pick and grab Ohio State’s Evan Turner.

    Sources say Flynn was frustrated throughout the season with the triangle offense and clashed with Wolves coach Kurt Rambis over the system. Rambis brought the offense with him from the Los Angeles Lakers, but traditionally it’s worked best with bigger guards. Minnesota could turn its team over to Ramon Sessions(notes) next season or gain another point guard elsewhere. The Wolves own the rights to Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio(notes), but he won’t consider leaving for the NBA until next season. Even then, Rubio’s camp still needs to be sold on the organization.

    Suns to make offer to Stoudemire

    Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver and coach Alvin Gentry are planning to meet with Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) next week and offer him a contract extension, but a source called it “pretty bleak” that the Suns will be able to convince the All-Star forward to agree to a deal.

    The Suns are expected to visit Stoudemire in Chicago at his summer basketball camp, if not wait for him to return to his home in Phoenix, Yahoo! Sports has learned. After rejecting what’s expected to be another counteroffer below the maximum, Stoudemire will opt out of the final year of his contract and become a free agent July 1.

    The Miami Heat and New York Knicks will be the top suitors for Stoudemire, with the Chicago Bulls and New Jersey Nets also expected to show interest.

    Stoudemire has been disappointed with the resignations of general manager Steve Kerr and his assistant, David Griffin. The Suns’ top two executives plan to work through the draft Thursday, but free agency and trades will be left to Sarver and Gentry. Much of the reason for Kerr’s departure was based on Sarver asking him to take a pay cut and continuing to nickel-and-dime the teams’ front-office employees.

    When Griffin was told that there would a search for Kerr’s successor and that he wouldn’t necessarily be promoted to the top basketball job, sources said, he decided to not stay past the expiring of his contract June 30.

    Orton stock dropping

    There’s a great deal of uncertainty and caution surrounding Kentucky center Daniel Orton, who has cancelled several workouts in the final days before the draft, but has tentatively planned a visit with Indiana on Tuesday.

    League executives say Orton has been out of shape and struggling with knee issues during the predraft process. Orton, a 6-foot-10 freshman, had planned to hire agent Raymond Brothers, but sources said an internal family struggle over control has kept him without formal representation. With so much uncertainty surrounding Orton, he could face a steep drop Thursday night.

    Orton has been working out with former NBA coach Bob Hill. As one Eastern Conference executive said Monday, “There are too many red flags right now.”

    Tip-ins

    Here’s the great advantage Portland Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen and his embattled GM Kevin Pritchard have over the rest of the NBA: a willingness to spend at draft time. To move up 10 spots in the second round – from 44 to 34 – a league source says the Blazers paid Golden State $2 million to go with the 44th pick. … The Miami Heat’s draft pick at No. 18 is available, league sources say. “They want to sell it to clear cap space,” one Western Conference executive said. … The Washington Wizards have the Nos. 1 and 30 picks of the first round, but league executives says GM Ernie Grunfeld is trying to stockpile more picks. New owner Ted Leonsis had a similar philosophy with the Washington Capitals, and has insisted that building through picks and the draft will be his priority in the NBA, too. … The Nets and Philadelphia 76ers are expected to have interest in Boston Celtics free agent Brian Scalabrine(notes). The reserve forward prefers to re-sign with the Celtics, but it’s unclear if they’ll make him an offer. … Portland is showing strong interest in Cleveland Cavaliers guard Mo Williams(notes). The Blazers have been making calls to check on him. … British center Ryan Richards isn’t expected to get past the Kings with the 33rd pick. … The Denver Nuggets made Linas Kleiza(notes) a $2.3 million qualifying offer, but sources close to the forward say there’s “more than a 50 percent chance” he’ll stay in Greece. Kleiza is due to make $6 million next season if he stays with Olympiakos. The qualifying offer allows the Nuggets to match any offer an NBA team makes to Kleiza.
    From what we've heard of Bird's demeanor, it sounds like a trade conversation between he and Kahn would be pretty entertaining. On the other hand, he may have an advantage because I doubt he gets his feelings hurt as easily as many other GM's.

    I'm very intrigued by Minnesota's offer. I wonder what other piece they want from us in the trade.

    Oh, and don't bother with the mock draft on Yahoo!'s NBA front page. It's a guy with no more information than any of us taking shots in the dark. Also, he still thinks 57 belongs to Dallas.
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    • #2237
      Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

      Under general manager David Kahn, the Wolves are becoming the organization that no one wants to send players. Kahn’s condescending, abrasive style is frustrating to rival GMs and agents because few people believe he has the background, knowledge or credentials to even hold the job. To his credit, Kahn did hire a personable assistant GM, Tony Ronzone, who can work the phones for him.
      Wojo's quickly becoming the guy to go to if you have an axe to grind, isn't he? I don't remember Adrian ever being this tabloid-y. Anyway, I can understand complaints about Kahn's personality, but his time here and in the D-League would make me think he's got the experience. Wierd.
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      • #2238
        Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

        Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
        This is interesting.



        http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...raftbuzz062210



        From what we've heard of Bird's demeanor, it sounds like a trade conversation between he and Kahn would be pretty entertaining. On the other hand, he may have an advantage because I doubt he gets his feelings hurt as easily as many other GM's.

        I'm very intrigued by Minnesota's offer. I wonder what other piece they want from us in the trade.

        Oh, and don't bother with the mock draft on Yahoo!'s NBA front page. It's a guy with no more information than any of us taking shots in the dark. Also, he still thinks 57 belongs to Dallas.
        Yeah, and they still have OLD logos for the Grizz and Rockets...I mean...how do they not update that?

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        • #2239
          Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

          Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
          The Portland trade is interesting. They pay $2 million to move up 10 spots, from 44 to 34. Ford says they may package it with 22 in an attempt to move up in the first round.

          Everything you here says that if you want Mikhail Torrance, you need to get ahead of Detroit at 36. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Portland wants Torrance. They could also combine 22 and 34 and send them to a team that really does want Torrance (us) for a late lottery pick.

          I don't know what Portland would be willing to give us. Fernandez has a small and easily tradeable contract. Pryzbilla has a pretty big expiring contract and will probably be a nice asset at the deadline. Batum is cheap, but I think they love him. Martell Webster?

          I'd definitely take a Fernandez, #22, and #34 for S. Jones, #10, and #57 deal, maybe you have to give them #40 instead of 57, I don't know.
          I only wish that we had the $$$ to make this type of move. If they don't trade #34, they can easily get a very solid Player that will likely drop into the 2nd round.

          BTW....I would easily do Fernandez+22+34 for Solo+10+40.
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          • #2240
            Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

            Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
            From what we've heard of Bird's demeanor, it sounds like a trade conversation between he and Kahn would be pretty entertaining. On the other hand, he may have an advantage because I doubt he gets his feelings hurt as easily as many other GM's.

            I'm very intrigued by Minnesota's offer. I wonder what other piece they want from us in the trade.

            Oh, and don't bother with the mock draft on Yahoo!'s NBA front page. It's a guy with no more information than any of us taking shots in the dark. Also, he still thinks 57 belongs to Dallas.
            Based off of what you posted....the TWolves recognize that they don't have a Center. Maybe they were asking for Hibbert?

            How would Hibbert do in the Triangle Offense?

            Doesn't it require a lot of ball movement?
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            • #2241
              Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

              New DX Mock:

              http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/

              10 - Udoh
              40 - Torrence
              57 - L. Hayward

              I'd be pretty damn happy with that draft, although I don't know a lot about Hayward.
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              • #2242
                Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16793496394
                Detroit: Barring a trade or Cousins somehow falling past Warriors (not happening), Ed Davis will be going 7. Al-Farouq "doesn't make sense."

                Davis being off the board before 10 is great news for a lot of Pacers fans.

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                • #2243
                  Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                  Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                  http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16793496394
                  Detroit: Barring a trade or Cousins somehow falling past Warriors (not happening), Ed Davis will be going 7. Al-Farouq "doesn't make sense."

                  Davis being off the board before 10 is great news for a lot of Pacers fans.
                  If this is true, if the Clippers take Hayward at 8, not Aminu...... and at #9 Utah takes Babbit, not Aminu.

                  Aminu falls to #10.

                  I actually don't think this is impossible.

                  I don't think it ever made sense for Detroit to take Aminu at #7. I don't see Aminu being the Utah pick, at all.

                  I think the Clippers could be the key.
                  Last edited by Speed; 06-22-2010, 04:09 PM.

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                  • #2244
                    Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                    DraftExpress

                    Al-Farouq Aminu reportedly canceled his workout in Detroit. He much prefers going to the Clippers. Has a promise from them. Pencil him in.
                    I don't think they will go with Hayward

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                    • #2245
                      Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                      Originally posted by Speed View Post
                      If this is true, if the Clippers take Hayward at 8, not Aminu...... and at #9 Utah takes Babbit, not Aminu.

                      Aminu falls to #10.

                      I actually don't think this is impossible.

                      I don't think it ever made sense for Detroit to take Aminu at #7. I don't see Aminu being the Utah pick, at all.

                      I think the Clippers could be the key.
                      Exactly my friend, I don't think we have talked about it enough, what do we do if Aminu is there? He has the bigger upside, correct? The problem is we have Danny and I don't think Aminu can play the 4... If he is there we could use him in a trade, so many possibilities to come!
                      Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                      • #2246
                        Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                        The hard thing here is who do you believe and who can you trust when it comes to these rumors?
                        Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                        • #2247
                          Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                          Kentucky vs Connecticut is on right now on ESPNU. still in the first half for those who want to watch.

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                          • #2248
                            Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                            Originally posted by Speed View Post
                            If this is true, if the Clippers take Hayward at 8, not Aminu...... and at #9 Utah takes Babbit, not Aminu.

                            Aminu falls to #10.

                            I actually don't think this is impossible.

                            I don't think it ever made sense for Detroit to take Aminu at #7. I don't see Aminu being the Utah pick, at all.

                            I think the Clippers could be the key.
                            That's been my call as well.
                            You mention Hayward @ 8, bur George is a strong posibility there too!
                            (too bad I think we already have a deal in place - ala Bayless/Rush)
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                            • #2249
                              Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                              http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_pi...nry_of_kansas/

                              Draft Report: Xavier Henry Of Kansas
                              By: Christopher Reina
                              RealGM.com Writer

                              Polished with a high character and enough growth potential to become one of the best spot-up shooting guards in the NBA, Xavier Henry can stand shoulder to shoulder next to all of the other wings in this draft despite being its youngest.

                              The only real knock on Henry's game is that he lacks a dynamic dribble that will allow him to consistently beat his man because he does just about everything else on the court with great precision.

                              The vast majority of Henry's offense is predicated on him spotting up on the perimeter and this is where he is unsurprisingly most dangerous. He doesn't have the kind of insane maniacal movement all over the floor like a Richard Hamilton or John Havlicek, but he always is in movement ahead of the catch. Because he is already in motion, Henry is able to smoothly transition into his jumper in one fluid motion or curl around and use the dribble.

                              Combining his already in motion tendency upon the catch and the consistency of his elevation with the jumper, Henry is incredibly skilled at shooting when guarded closely. He is a fearless shooter with a hand his face and shoots an excellent percentage with a lot of pressure applied.

                              Henry features a compact perimeter shot with a perfect amount of lift and a clean follow-through. He has nice arc and rotation on his jumper, shooting 41.8% from beyond the arc and 78.3% from the line.

                              Looking at his dribble in the halfcourt, Henry is certainly solid, but struggles to lose his man. His dribble doesn't have enough shake in it or explosion. Henry's ability to get into the lane is predicated on the strength of his jumper and defenders overplaying him, which sets up the shot fake and blow by.

                              When he is able to keep his man on his hip and glide into the lane off the dribble, Henry does a good job of elevating for a short or mid-range jumper in a controlled and strictly vertical manner.

                              In transition, Henry is a good decision-maker and can finish with some explosion in space but he in no way can be classified as a high-flyer. He seems to be more comfortable staying out on the perimeter, finding the right spots as he does in the halfcourt.

                              As a passer, Henry does a good job of keeping his head up with the ball to see the entire floor and every option. He delivers the ball in a good position for his teammates, whether it is on a cut, back to the perimeter and also on a lob. Henry has a great natural feel and all-around game, which translates to his passing.

                              Defensively, Henry has good length and should be able to defend both shooting guards and small forwards at a perfectly competent level. He is physically advanced for his age, but he certainly needs to get functionally stronger to compete on this end of the floor.

                              Henry does a good job with his spacing in help defense and challenges the passing lanes well. His lateral quickness and ability to change direction quickly is fairly average, which is a continuation of his deficiency on the offensive end off the dribble.

                              As far as character, coachability and the desire to get better, Henry is off the charts. He has continually impressed teams in the interview portions of their evaluations and is absolutely the type of player you feel very comfortable adding to the locker room because he can only enhance team chemistry. There are quite a few players in the NBA that get a few extra seasons based purely on that quality and even if he never reaches his full potential, that should be a nice fallback for Henry.

                              If we compare Henry to James Harden, the third overall pick in the 2009 Draft, a fellow southpaw and a player he has a good chance of being as good as if not better than, there is a lot to like about the value of getting him outside of the top-10.
                              I keep on reading about Xavier and can't escape the notion that if Udoh isn't available that we'd draft Xavier.
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                                Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                                Couple of things after listening to Podcasts and rewatching a part of the NBA combine that was replayed last night on ESPNU.

                                NBA Combine-Orten was standing next to Cousins in some of the drills. They are essentially the same looking size. Orten looks to be have less body fat. For me, Orten passes the look test. Too bad there's so much more to consider there.

                                Podcasts-Wells mentioned a post July 1st trade idea, I liked, of TJ Ford for (edit) Raymond Felton of Charlotte in a sign and trade. Not my first choice, but a potential move. Not a rumor, but more him speculating.

                                Dakich had a Reina from Realgm on, asked him about Okafor. Said he'll not play as hard when he's dinged up. Compared him to JO in that regard. Said Larry Brown hated Okafor's game (shocking).

                                One other thing, Rusillo on NBA today a week or so ago. He said cap space is overated. You overpay for Free Agents. He said Ainge told him years ago, he'd rather trade for a guy who you don't have to have as long contract wise. I agree with this mostly. Problem in trades are you have to give up something to get something. So is losing assets (trade) or overpaying (years and money) more impactful? I thought the philosophy made sense, in most situations.
                                Last edited by Speed; 06-23-2010, 08:41 AM.

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