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Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

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  • #1651
    Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

    I see RealGM has posted their 1st Mock Draft


    http://realgm.net/src_feature_pieces...ft_version_10/

    Many people believe this is a deep draft and it certainly deeper than initially believed, especially with all of the early declarations, but I don't think we will see the Darren Collisons, DeJuan Blairs, Rodrique Beaubois, Marcus Thorntons and Chase Budingers that we did a year ago.

    I see this draft as the John Wall sweepstakes, followed by very good starters/fringe All-Stars in DeMarcus Cousins and Evan Turner with question marks and role players filling out the remainder of the lottery. Beyond that, I think there are many eighth and ninth men, with many of them having more promising careers in Europe.

    Round 1
    1. New Jersey, 250: John Wall, PG, Kentucky

    2. Minnesota, 199: Evan Turner, SG, Ohio State

    3. Sacramento, 156: DeMarcus Cousins, C, Kentucky

    4. Golden State, 104: Derrick Favors, PF, Wake Forest

    5. Washington, 103: Al-Farouq Aminu, F, Wake Forest

    6. Philadelphia, 53: Wes Johnson, SF, Syracuse

    7. Detroit, 53: Cole Aldrich, C, Kansas

    8. LA Clippers, 23: Eric Bledsoe, G, Kentucky

    9. New York (To Utah), 22: Ed Davis, PF, North Carolina

    10. Indiana, 11: Patrick Patterson, PF, Kentucky

    11. New Orleans, 8: Greg Monroe, C, Georgetown

    12. Memphis, 7: Jan Vesely, F, KK Partizan Belgrade

    13. Toronto, 6: Donatas Motiejunas, C Benneton Treviso

    14. Houston, 5: Hassan Whiteside, C, Marshall

    15. Chicago (To Milwaukee): Ekpe Udoh, PF, Baylor

    16. Charlotte (To Minnesota via Denver): Daniel Orton, C, Kentucky

    17. Milwaukee (To Chicago): Xavier Henry, G/F, Kansas

    18. Miami: Willie Warren, PG, Oklahoma

    19. Boston: James Anderson, SG, Oklahoma State

    20. San Antonio: Damion James, SF, Texas

    21. Oklahoma City, Aaric Murray, C, LaSalle

    22. Portland: Avery Bradley, G, Texas

    23. Utah (To Minnesota via Philadelphia): Gordon Heyward, SF, Butler

    24. Atlanta: Solomon Alabi, C, Florida State

    25. Denver (To Memphis): Quincy Pondexter, SF, Washington

    26. Phoenix (To Oklahoma City): Nemanja Bjelica, SF, Red Star Belgrade

    27. Dallas (To New Jersey): Dominque Jones, SG, South Florida

    28. LA Lakers (To Memphis): Gani Lawal, PF, Georgia Tech

    29. Orlando: Paul George, SF, Fresno State

    30. Cleveland (To Washington): Larry Sanders, PF, VCU

    Second Round
    31. New Jersey: Devin Ebanks, SF, West Virginia

    32. Minnesota (To Oklahoma City): Tibor Pleiss, C, Brose Baskets

    33. Sacramento: Charles Garcia, PF, Seattle

    34/35. Washington: Elliot Williams, SG, Memphis

    34/35. Golden State: Demetri McCamey, PG, Illinois

    36/37. Detroit: JaJuan Johnson, PF, Purdue

    36/37. Philadelphia (To Milwaukee): Darrington Hobson, SF, New Mexico

    38/39. New York: Sherron Collins, PG, Kansas

    38/39. LA Clippers (To New York via Denver): Lance Stephenson, SG, Cincinnati

    40. Indiana: Terrico White, G, Ole Miss

    41. New Orleans (To Miami): Miroslave Raduljica, C, Zeleznik

    42/43. Toronto (To Miami): Stanley Robinson, SF, UConn

    42/43. Memphis (To LA Lakers): Chris Wright, SF, Dayton

    44. Chicago (To Portland): Kevin Seraphin, PF, Cholet

    45. Houston (To Minnesota): Kenneth Faried, PF, Morehead State

    46. Charlotte (To Phoenix): Jarvis Varnado, PF, Mississippi State

    47. Milwaukee: Greivis Vasquez, PG, Maryland

    48. Miami: Arnett Moultrie, PF, UTEP

    49. San Antonio: Artsiom Parakhouski, C, Radford

    50. Oklahoma City (To Dallas): Jerome Jordan, C, Tulsa

    51. Portland (To Oklahoma City via Dallas and Minnesota): Ludovic Vaty, PF, Orleans

    52. Boston: Gary Flowers, PF, Southern Miss

    53. Atlanta: Samardo Samuels, PF, Louisville

    54. Denver (To LA Clippers): Armon Johnson, PG, Nevada

    55. Utah: Luke Babbitt, SF, Nevada

    56. Phoenix (To Minnesota): Derrick Caracter, PF, UTEP

    57. Dallas: Jordan Crawford, SG, Xavier

    58. LA Lakers: Hamady N'Diaye, C, Rutgers

    59. Orlando: Dexter Pittman, C, Texas

    60. Cleveland (To Phoenix): Courtney Fortson, PG, Arkansas
    Bledsoe at 8 doesn't surprise me. Hope he drops to 10 though. That or.... nah won't get my hopes up
    Last edited by pwee31; 04-24-2010, 11:49 PM.

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    • #1652
      Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

      Aren't we getting the #57 from Dallas? Jordan Crawford would be a nice pickup at that point. Some Character Issues, but dude can score.

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      • #1653
        Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
        I see RealGM has posted their 1st Mock Draft


        http://realgm.net/src_feature_pieces...ft_version_10/



        Bledsoe at 8 doesn't surprise me. Hope he drops to 10 though. That or.... nah won't get my hopes up
        stanley robinsons a little low dont you guys think?
        Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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        • #1654
          Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

          I was thinking the same thing, Hayward is not better than him and he is listed higher?
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #1655
            Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

            Robinson is ranked as a late lottery pick to mid first round.

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            • #1656
              Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

              Originally posted by Wanna be GM View Post
              Aren't we getting the #57 from Dallas? Jordan Crawford would be a nice pickup at that point. Some Character Issues, but dude can score.
              Possibly. The Mavs have until June 1 (I think?) to decide whether or not we'll receive their 2nd in 2010 or 2011.

              Also, SRob seems really low and Willie Warren still seems impossibly high.
              This is the darkest timeline.

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              • #1657
                Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                Originally posted by HanSolo View Post
                stanley robinsons a little low dont you guys think?

                Absolutely!

                By this mock draft Udoh, Patterson, and Monroe all will be available at #10.

                I'm glad it shows Aldrich gone b4 the Pacers pick!

                I can't believe Vasquez has dropped so far.

                Varnado dropped too.

                JaJuan Johnson is listed on this mock.

                The Harangody, Booker, Brackins, Harris, and Scheyer aren't even listed on this draft, but Ndaiye is.

                Derrick Caracter is on this draft.


                I don't know what to think of this mock draft.

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                • #1658
                  Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                  Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post

                  Possibly. The Mavs have until June 1 (I think?) to decide whether or not we'll receive their 2nd in 2010 or 2011.

                  Also, SRob seems really low and Willie Warren still seems impossibly high.

                  I look for Denver to keep the pick this year with going into a much weaker draft next year.

                  I agree Robinson is way too low and Warren way too high.

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                  • #1659
                    Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                    Originally posted by HanSolo View Post
                    stanley robinsons a little low dont you guys think?
                    I hope he goes in the lottery, with guaranteed money..he's got a family and needs it, plus he's a good kid. He's also extremely athletic so the combine and camps will put him higher.

                    However...there's a very VERY good chance that the team that picks him is going to be sorry they did. Not at first, because they'll look at all of his "potential" but six years from now..when he's still got "all that potential" and hasn't improved at all. Don't do it Pacers..(and don't take Dyson either!)

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                    • #1660
                      Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                      When looking at the teams currently picking 5 to 9, I see a great chance for us to pick up a good pf not named Patrick Patterson. Out of Hassan Whiteside, Ekpe, and possibly Donatas or Monroe, who do you think could help the pacers out the most in the long run?

                      I am really pushing for Hassan Whiteside, I think the pacers need to go for potential, and he reminds me of a much better prospect then Javale Mcgee when he entered after his sophmore year. He is listed as a center, but with his athleticism and frame I think he could easily handle being by Hibbert. His lack of a jump shot could be ok with a player like Tyler coming off the bench. A frontcourt of Hibbert, Whiteside, and Granger could be very good.

                      My hopeful but unlikely 2011-2012 roster.

                      Pg-Free agent(Stucky, Brooks, Conley) or from trade with our expirings/AJ
                      Sg-Rush/Jones
                      Sf-Granger/Jones
                      Pf-Whiteside/Hansbrough
                      C-Hibbert/Mcroberts

                      BTW-not first post, been here for years just rarely posted and forget my log in material

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                      • #1661
                        Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                        I look for Denver to keep the pick this year with going into a much weaker draft next year.

                        I agree Robinson is way too low and Warren way too high.
                        You mean Dallas?
                        "To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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                        • #1662
                          Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                          DraftExpress: Jan Vesely "I Decided Not to Enter the 2010 NBA Draft"

                          Originally posted by Jan Vesley
                          After consulting with my coach Mr. Dusan Vujosevic, my Agent and my family, who has always been very supportive of me in every decision that I have made in the past, I made the decision not to enter the 2010 NBA Draft.

                          I have decided to stay and play for my club BC Partizan for the next season.

                          Basketball is my life, something that is very important to me, and I want to continue to learn more.

                          My Coach Dusan Vujosevic and all of the staff of BC Partizan have been great to me ever since I have arrived to Belgrade, Serbia. Because of my coaches, my teammates and the best fans in the world, Belgrade is a place that I will always call home.

                          Playing in the NBA has been my dream since I started to play basketball. But, to be ready for this, I feel now is the time for me to continue to work hard to realize that goal in near future.

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                          • #1663
                            Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                            2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                            2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                            2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                            • #1664
                              Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                              At least Vesely didn't pull a Rubio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                              • #1665
                                Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                                Lets not show that mock to Jajuan Johnson. Even if he is only at the 36/37 spot. I don't want him thinking he can really be drafted at all. We need him back at Purdue.

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