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  • Trophy
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 8557

    #1

    Hibbert to the bench?



    By Mike Wells
    Pacers playing Hibbert off the bench
    Foster in starting lineup at center to give team more mobility


    OAKLAND, Calif. -- Indiana Pacers coach Jim O'Brien wants to accomplish more than just win some games during the team's four-game West Coast trip.

    O'Brien hopes to settle on a rotation by the time the team returns to Indianapolis on Sunday. The position that could have the most impact is at center.

    O'Brien is taking a serious look at making veteran Jeff Foster the permanent starting center over second-year player Roy Hibbert.

    "I have to decide whether Jeff should be the guy that starts for us," O'Brien said. "He's so successful in the plus/minus (category) all the time."

    O'Brien started Foster against Golden State on Monday for match-up purposes because Hibbert has a difficult time defending athletic big men who play on the perimeter.

    Hibbert, who recorded a double-double in points and rebounds in five of the first seven games, went into Monday's game having not reached double figures in points or grabbed more than four rebounds in the past five games.

    Hibbert isn't the only big man feeling the pinch in playing time.

    Solomon Jones, who was Hibbert's backup at the start of the season, hasn't played more than 16 minutes since the Nov. 11 game against Golden State at Conseco Fieldhouse.

    "Like everybody on our team, you have to earn minutes," O'Brien said. "I give guys a starting job to try to pull them out of a downslide. Ultimately you earn your minutes; you earn them by producing and it becomes pretty apparent through statistical analysis whether or not an individual is producing or a combination of individuals are producing."

    O'Brien continues to start Brandon Rush over Dahntay Jones at shooting guard despite Jones clearly outplaying him this season because O'Brien hopes it will get Rush back on track and help his confidence.

    O'Brien hopes to have settled on a nine- or 10-man rotation by the time the trip ends.

    "When you're 6-8, and as a staff you don't feel like you're playing with a flow offensively, you have to look at things," O'Brien said. "We're searching right now. Hopefully we'll come off this trip and decide whether or not we have a solid rotation."
    Oh yeah, we getting many wins with Jeff starting.

    We had more success with him coming off the bench and Roy starting.

    I hate it that Roy is losing deserved minutes when we really can use his height and body down low.
  • Speed
    Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 9266

    #2
    Re: Hibbert to the bench?

    There misusing him anyway, right now, why not sit him for awhile.

    I have a feeling BRush and Hibberts minutes are going away starting tomorrow.

    I see some DNP-Coaches decision headed down the pike, at least until Obie realizes he can win without them either.

    Everybody loves the back up quarterback, even the coaches.

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    • trey
      Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 232

      #3
      Re: Hibbert to the bench?

      What a horrible decision. We need to be looking toward the future right now! Jeff Foster is a good player but right now he's as good as he's ever going to be. Hibbert needs to start this season for development and experience. I think pretty much everyone knows we are not going to win the championship this season, so why would we choose to start the old guy instead of developing our future center? This makes no sense.

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      • Spirit
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 1272

        #4
        Re: Hibbert to the bench?

        This franchise is a mess. Why is Rush starting over a more deserving player but Hibbert is coming off the bench for an undeserving player? Shouldn't this be the other way around?

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        • Bridge
          Member
          • Aug 2007
          • 88

          #5
          Re: Hibbert to the bench?

          This is why there are fire JOB threads.

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          • BornReady
            Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 3541

            #6
            Re: Hibbert to the bench?

            Originally posted by JGray
            This franchise is a mess. Why is Rush starting over a more deserving player but Hibbert is coming off the bench for an undeserving player? Shouldn't this be the other way around?
            hahah yea i found that a little contradictory too
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            • kester99
              The light, not the lie.
              • Nov 2007
              • 9566

              #7
              Re: Hibbert to the bench?

              Foster's certainly not undeserving. He's playing hands-down better than Roy lately.

              I don't think you'll see Rush in the starting rotation very much longer at all.

              These guys coming off the bench are still going to develop...Rush may even be in a better situation without the pressure.

              One related thing I really am wondering about is when / if JOB will bench Murph. He's certainly not showing well so far. Maybe he needs some time on the pine too.


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              • Trophy
                Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 8557

                #8
                Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                Jeff has been playing great offensively and defensively at center.

                I think we should continue with him starting at center and see if we have any success. If we're not winning, then I think we should should bring back Roy into the starting lineup.

                Jeff is good to have where ever is put.

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                • BillS
                  Angry Old Poster
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21862

                  #9
                  Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                  You might could whine about Jeff being as good as he'll get but at this point I think he is playing far better than the others. As I've argued before, I believe you have to earn your starting position by being good as a starter, not by simply being young.

                  I haven't made up my mind about why Rush is still in there - he is doing a little better than he was but I'd still rather see Dahntay.
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                  • Hicks
                    Member
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 53117

                    #10
                    Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                    It'd help if we weren't committed to running an offense that is horrible for a center like Roy.

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                    • gummy
                      I don't even know anymore
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 3957

                      #11
                      Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                      When it comes right down to it, Foster is playing well right now. I'm not sure if he has enough left in the tank to do it night in and night out anymore, but I'm OK with playing him to find out.

                      More concerning to me is all the playing time Murph is getting. I wouldn't mind seeing Hibbert out there at C with Foster at PF.

                      Also, while I think there are all sorts of statistical measures that are very useful in evaluating the game of basketball, I am somewhat disconcerted about the excitement with which Obbie talks about +/-. There is more to the game than stats can sum up.
                      Last edited by gummy; 12-01-2009, 06:01 PM.
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                      • Peck
                        Administrator
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 20053

                        #12
                        Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                        Originally posted by BillS
                        You might could whine about Jeff being as good as he'll get but at this point I think he is playing far better than the others. As I've argued before, I believe you have to earn your starting position by being good as a starter, not by simply being young.

                        I haven't made up my mind about why Rush is still in there - he is doing a little better than he was but I'd still rather see Dahntay.
                        As good as Foster played last night, and he did play good, he did not do as well as Roy did in the first game vs. the Warriors.

                        That is the problem with this entire process.

                        Roy did earn his min and starting position. He did not start having problems until he was paired up with a power forward that can not defend.

                        Game one vs. the Warriors

                        Roy 24:55 Min. 16 point 9 rebounds 4 assists 2 blocks

                        Game two vs. the Warriors

                        Jeff 23:43 Min. 9 points 9 rebounds 4 assists 2 blocks.


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                        • McKeyFan
                          Intuition over Integers
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 15183

                          #13
                          Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                          You people are just paranoid.
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                          • CableKC
                            Member
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 36691

                            #14
                            Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                            Since JO'B is taking the +/- into consideration, below are the +/- stats for Murphy and Hibbert since Cleveland game ( when Murphy returned to the lineup ):

                            Vs. Cleveland - LOSS


                            Murphy ( played 16 minutes ) : -18
                            Hibbert ( played 24 minutes ) : +7

                            @ Charlotte - LOSS

                            Murphy ( played 21 minutes ) : -15
                            Hibbert ( played 24 minutes ) : -3

                            @ Toronto - LOSS

                            Murphy ( played 33 minutes ) : -11
                            Hibbert ( played 13 minutes ) : -17

                            Vs. LA Clippers - WIN

                            Murphy ( played 36 minutes ) : +17
                            Hibbert ( played 26 minutes ) : +2

                            Vs. Dallas

                            Murphy ( played 28 minutes ) : -12
                            Hibbert ( played 12 minutes ) : -12

                            @ GSW

                            Murphy ( played 31 minutes ) : -4
                            Hibbert ( played 11 minutes ) : -24

                            Take what you will from this +/- stat.
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                            • CableKC
                              Member
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 36691

                              #15
                              Re: Hibbert to the bench?

                              Originally posted by Peck
                              As good as Foster played last night, and he did play good, he did not do as well as Roy did in the first game vs. the Warriors.

                              That is the problem with this entire process.

                              Roy did earn his min and starting position. He did not start having problems until he was paired up with a power forward that can not defend.

                              Game one vs. the Warriors

                              Roy 24:55 Min. 16 point 9 rebounds 4 assists 2 blocks

                              Game two vs. the Warriors

                              Jeff 23:43 Min. 9 points 9 rebounds 4 assists 2 blocks.
                              I didn't notice....but did Hibbert ever share the floor with Foster in the Warriors game?

                              or

                              Was he always paired with Murphy, Granger or Dunelavy as the PF in the lineup?
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