Post Game Thread: Bulls vs. Pacers

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Y'know, I've been hoping for the playoffs all season. But when we got word of Granger and Dun being unavailable for a good period of time, I conceded the season and was looking forward to getting a higher pick.

Then we win 2 in a row.

This team makes my head hurt.

[duke dynamite]

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Y'know, I've been hoping for the playoffs all season. But when we got word of Granger and Dun being unavailable for a good period of time, I conceded the season and was looking forward to getting a higher pick.

Then we win 2 in a row.

This team makes my head hurt.

Expect the unexpected.

[PaceBalls]

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This had me laughing so hard... look at that vulture swooping in.. good stuff

[Midcoasted]

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Murphy's stat line was 27,14, and 3, and people are still dwelling that he steals a rebound now and then? What he'd average 9 boards instead of 10? Give me a break. Troy Murphy is balling this year and I'm glad we have a big that talented again. I really like what Hibbert is doing as well. The future looks bright.

There's so many "observable" things that are way more noteworthy to Troy Murphy. He is shooting like 60 percent from the three in the last so many games. He is averaging a double double, he is playing solid D at time, he is still improving as a player from when we first got him. Murphy has silenced all the ciritics, but the hate for him steal exists. If there wasn't a little bit of spite you would be praising him instead of tripping on this rebound thing. In the past three games he has some big O boards putback for scores so while he isn't necessarily strong there, he isn't weak either. 5 offensive rebounds tonight out of 14? Maybe he took one or two, but he still would have had 12. Would you rather him give up on it then a big fromt he other team steal it from TJ?

[Midcoasted]

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This had me laughing so hard... look at that vulture swooping in.. good stuff

Are you ****ing serious? Watch the own thing you posted. He wasn't even looking at Ford. He was already elevating into his motion before he even saw him there. If you ever played big back in high school, like I did, you always concentrate on the ball first and foremost and try to anticipate where it is going. Then you do anything you can to secure it no matter who is there. Sometimes it is hard to tell if it is your teammate or not when you have full concentration on the ball like Murphy does, I.E. in this very clip.

[PaceBalls]

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Are you ****ing serious? Watch the own thing you posted. He wasn't even looking at Ford. He was already elevating into his motion before he even saw him there. If you ever played big back in high school, like I did, you always concentrate on the ball first and foremost and try to anticipate where it is going. Then you do anything you can to secure it no matter who is there. Sometimes it is hard to tell if it is your teammate or not when you have full concentration on the ball like Murphy does, I.E. in this very clip.

Yeah I like Murphs effort, but that video was hilarious. He went with the follow through even after he saw TJ. I mean you could tell he was thinking that there was no one near him and he was going to get that rebound no matter what, TJ Ford be damned! Don't get me wrong man, I'm one of Murphs fans here. I want us to keep him if he plays this good. I don't mind the rebound vulture tendancies at all. It is what it is though.

[ReginaldWayne]

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This whole Murphy thing is tearing everyone apart. I think this should be put aside until everyone calms down. I am starting to worry about the integrity of this board with everyone bickering.

Yes, Murphy stole a rebound, maybe more.

Yes, that needs to be addressed, one way or another. There is no way to tell how the other players feel without directly asking them, so in this case it is not safe to assume how this is affecting the locker room.

Maybe someone should call into the show tomorrow night or the Jim O'Brien show Thursday and talk about it. I'll take it upon myself to do so.

No, we should not bicker about it. I feel, and don't throw me under the bus here, is as long as we get the rebound, that is all that matters. Whether it is Murphy or someone else on the team getting the ball, just feel happy that we have an offensive opportunity.

I've read through some of the posts, and there have been quite a few deleted ones by the admins. I really feel like this is something we need to let out of our hands, or we may all end up hating each other.

/soapbox

Yea if one of the players were ask, theyd probably say "dude, what in RemovedGods name are you talking about? What exactly are u watching for when you watch the pacers? We dont concern ourselves with this nonsense out on the court."

affecting the locker room? What THE ?

[SoupIsGood]

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I just don't think that's stealing. Maybe I should have seen the rebound in full fps, but I always thought that kind of stuff happens all the time w/ team-mates. You'll get a few awkward moments where two guys attack for the same rebound. If it happens more often w/ Murphy maybe it's just because he pulls in a lot of rebounds and goes for even more.

I mean we're getting angry because the guys does his job well.

[Peck]

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Are we supposed to be watching Murphy or are we supposed to watch Roy foul Noah under the board?

Actually while this may or may not be that bad (I can't tell if he rips the ball out of T.J.'s hands here because the video cuts off), I will say that this is not the type of rebound I have been talking about lately.

Troy had inside position on this one and he may or may not have seen T.J. behind him. From what little I can tell on the video it looks like this was just an honest effort to get the board. However I will say I can not be sure with this footage.

What I am talking about is when Troy goes from one side of the court to the other side and the other pacer player already has established position and there is no one else there.

For those of you that say it does not matter, take this into account. I can think of three times this season it has cost us a possesion because the ball has bounced out of bounds because our own players were fighting for it.

[D-BONE]

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With all due respect, this rebound stealing thing is just way out of hand. I don't even think it's an issue in the first place, but it really doesn't deserve this much discussion. I mean..are all our guys that much of stat whores that they really care if Murphy takes a rebound or two from them a game? Is Murphy a rebound whore? Can the guy get a break?

[BKK]

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Worst post game thread ever.

x2

[McKeyFan]

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For those of you that say it does not matter, take this into account. I can think of three times this season it has cost us a possesion because the ball has bounced out of bounds because our own players were fighting for it.

True. But I think you lose several more rebounds when at least one player isn't gung ho determined to snag the rebound.

There's a back and forth, some confusion as to who's ball it is, then an opponent grabs it or it falls out of bounds. Kinda like a pop fly in baseball: someone has to clearly be the guy who grabs it. With us, it may be understood that it's the big.

[Will Galen]

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For those of you that say it does not matter, take this into account. I can think of three times this season it has cost us a possesion because the ball has bounced out of bounds because our own players were fighting for it.

Yes, and it happens when teammates see each other and both let go of the ball at the same time, causing the ball to go out of bounds or worse letting the opponent steal the ball under their basket.

All in all I want players going after the rebound and even taking the ball away from teammates if they can, because THE REBOUND IS MINE is a good mindset to have.

[count55]

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Are we supposed to be watching Murphy or are we supposed to watch Roy foul Noah under the board?

Actually while this may or may not be that bad (I can't tell if he rips the ball out of T.J.'s hands here because the video cuts off), I will say that this is not the type of rebound I have been talking about lately.

Troy had inside position on this one and he may or may not have seen T.J. behind him. From what little I can tell on the video it looks like this was just an honest effort to get the board. However I will say I can not be sure with this footage.

What I am talking about is when Troy goes from one side of the court to the other side and the other pacer player already has established position and there is no one else there.

For those of you that say it does not matter, take this into account. I can think of three times this season it has cost us a possesion because the ball has bounced out of bounds because our own players were fighting for it.

Troy ended up with the rebound on the video shown, and he did take it away from TJ. I remember the play because my brother laughed and commented on Murph taking a rebound from a teammate. My take was that he was just going for the ball, and I didn't really think he knew who the other guy was, so he was just making sure he got possession.

Essentially, my brother and I have joked about Murph attacking defensive rebounds, regardless of who the other guy is. He does do it, and on occasion it's a little unseemly and exasperating, but it doesn't seem to be a huge issue within the team.

My take is that, while contract considerations may be a motivating factor (as it would be with all of us), the main reason Murph does this is simply because rebounding is something he does well. I'm sure he's well aware of his limitations as a defender and a post player. What I think he does is try to maximize his positives. I believe he's largely worked hard on his negatives, specifically defense, but he's not going to get a lot of mileage out of that simply because of his basic physical limitations. Therefore, I think he's doing what he thinks he can to help the team.

Everybody has irritating quirks that develop in their game. On the whole, I can live with this from Murph, assuming that it's not creating a great deal of emnity with his teammates (though I'm sure they find it irritating, from time to time). While it may hurt us sometimes, I think that it's a side effect of a part of T-Murda's game that is an overall benefit to the Pacers.

He is what he is. If he made what Foster was making, I think most of us would love him...or at least would be satisfied with him.

[cramerica]

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Y'know, I've been hoping for the playoffs all season. But when we got word of Granger and Dun being unavailable for a good period of time, I conceded the season and was looking forward to getting a higher pick.

Then we win 2 in a row.

This team makes my head hurt.

I have the same sentiments. I was completely expecting to come into work seeing that they lost (last two games actually) and then I see that they won. I think a higher draft pick would be better for us, yet we keep winning these games that we should lose. Hopefully this works out for us. I want them to keep winning to put my butts in the seats of Conseco, but I don't know if that's the best thing for the team.