Is Danny Granger overrated?
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
Granger has the ability to be a top 3 SF in this league. I can only say LeBron and Durant are better, and he is every bit as good as Melo and Pierce. For whatever reason mentally he has fallen off, and this is where peoples problems with him begin. He no longer gives an adequate amount of effort on the defensive end night in and night out, and his shot selection has been crap recently. He still has the skill he had back when he averaged 25ppg, was an all-star, and there were arguments by non-Pacer fans of whether or not he was as good as LeBron he just doesn't seem to care enough though.Comment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
yup, a troll who's been here 6 years longer than you... you obviously haven't been around for our discussions in the past on where pd thought granger ranked in the nba or who we would or would not trade granger for.Last edited by croz24; 05-27-2011, 04:12 AM.Comment
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another facepalm from a member who wasn't on the board to counter the entire boards lovefest for danny 2, 3, 4 years ago where many truly wldn't trade danny straight up for a chris paul, dwight howard, carmelo anthony, blake griffin, kevin durant, derrick rose type player. why do i know these happened, because i was banned for suggesting we should trade danny for things like the #1 overall pick to draft rose and was blasted for it.Comment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
another facepalm from a member who wasn't on the board to counter the entire boards lovefest for danny 2, 3, 4 years ago where many truly wldn't trade danny straight up for a chris paul, dwight howard, carmelo anthony, blake griffin, kevin durant, derrick rose type player. why do i know these happened, because i was banned for suggesting we should trade danny for things like the #1 overall pick to draft rose and was blasted for it.Follow me at @BluejbgoldComment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
Granger has the ability to be a top 3 SF in this league. I can only say LeBron and Durant are better, and he is every bit as good as Melo and Pierce. For whatever reason mentally he has fallen off, and this is where peoples problems with him begin. He no longer gives an adequate amount of effort on the defensive end night in and night out, and his shot selection has been crap recently. He still has the skill he had back when he averaged 25ppg, was an all-star, and there were arguments by non-Pacer fans of whether or not he was as good as LeBron he just doesn't seem to care enough though.Comment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
turnovers...
blocks against...
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
Danny is an excellent scorer. I wish he was the best player on a great team, maybe doing well in the playoffs will let him take the next step. What I mean is, he now has an idea of what it takes. I give him tons of credit for stepping up against Chicago. I didn't think he had it in him, honestly.
That goes to me thinking he's underated, at this point. We want him to do the things he's not doing, which is understandable, but the book isn't done being written on him.
Can he do it?? I don't know, I'm starting to have hope after the playoffs. If you asked me in January, I would have said no, not even possible.
Danny has to start to understand now, what it means to be an elite player, then we have to see if he has that next level as even a possibility.
This will sounds simplistic, but I think its the key to him moving forward. Can he make others around him better? Thats the key. Which leads to the question, can he? It means this, to me.
1.) Make others around you better - he has to get smarter to do so. How many times does he drive 1 on 3 when Hansbrough is open on the baseline? Defensively, how many times has he lost his man when he doesn't have the ball and gives up an offensive rebound? It's a mental mindset in doing ALL of the little things ALL the time. It's not that he's selfish, he's not, its a deeper understanding of the game that comes to some with age. Some guys never get it. It's not all his fault, he's been surrounding in recent years by guys who aren't good, guys he couldn't trust. For him to help his team, the best option WAS 1 on 3 or a early 3 in the shot clock. Not now, not with this group. Not accept being a great scorer only. If Danny can attain the rarity of making players around him better, that IS the next step, imo.
2.) Ceiling of abilities - Can he become good enough to be a go-to guy at the end of games. That doesn't mean score, it doesn't mean have one move in the step back jumper. It means can he elevate his game to where he has to be doubled or he's going to score? It applies to defensively too. Can he be disciplined enough to have a fitness level that allows him to play dynamic hard defense all game and also have the energy to be the offensive weapon. Danny may not have this ability as a ceiling. I don't think we know. I think of Bird and Rodman, who would runs steps after games/practice, so that they could eliminate fatigue as a deciding factor in games. I'm not saying Danny isn't in shape, he is, but he needs to be able to physically allow himself a chance to impact a game on both ends of the floor, the entire time. Thats different. Danny needs to reach his ceiling for his abilites, keep pushing to attain that rare level.
I want to put leadership as 3rd, but I think if he can accomplish the first two things, he'll be leading by actions. Really a pretty meaningful way to do it.
I've rambled, but I've always thought you should be wary of players that look great on bad teams, Danny needs to not be this anymore. He needs to be a great player on a good team. I guess we'll see if he's willing and if he's capable.
I said I thought he was underated, but maybe he's just properly rated. It's like Bill Parcells says, you are what you are. Right now, he's the best player on a 37 win team, hopefully theres more.Last edited by Speed; 05-27-2011, 08:17 AM.Comment
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Calling me out made me check my stats, and you're basically right. His turnover per usage rate is really pretty good, and while his block % is above the league average, it's not high either, though it is one of the highest on the team (I think 3rd). Actually looking through all the stats on Granger made me realize they are pretty good. The biggest downside is that his offensive stats have gone down the last two years, while turnovers, shots blocked etc have gone up.Danger ZoneComment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
IMO
As I Mentioned acouple months ago, Danny will be there when it counts and He is / was one of the most consistant players in the playoffs so far and he did against the best defensive team.
There is no doubt in my mind that the coaching staff in the past has asked him to tone down his game abit. This is a young team and in order to get a team to compete and grow, Danny cannot be the main focal point. For every play that is ran through Danny is one less for someone else to grow. We know what Danny is capable of. We seen him step it up in the playoffs and looked like his old self. If he plays his rear off all season, that will not be good and in the past wouldn't had made a difference (in wins) except raising his personal stock. To me Danny is a stiff athelete, not nimble, so he will not make extreme athletic plays that people want to see. He will always have a tough time with double / triple teams, all the more reason he needs more offensive threats around him. But this shouldn't make him underrated. People just want to have him do things that he can't do. He does not carry a contract of Kobe and others in that upper tier. So why put him up there? Just to turn around and beat him down where he is suppose to be anyways, then say he is overrated? I would take Danny, his skill set and contract over Melo, his skill set and contract any day. This doesn't mean Danny has to like avg. more pts per game tho! But it does mean that he should have better supporting cast for the money saved between the 2 contracts and thats not Danny's fault.Last edited by Pacer Fan; 05-27-2011, 10:52 AM.Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOLComment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
Meh. I would say he is slightly overrated.. Just because im thinking people probably dont think as highly of him as a lot of us do. I think he is quite overrated around here as Pacer fans.. But thats because he is our "leader" and best player.. Teams tend to be more protective of the guy that fits that description for their specific team. I would prefer we trade him because he is not quite the leader that we need him to be. He really isn't clutch, though he has pulled through on a couple occasions. He is a good scorer for sure, but not a great one, put someone like a focused Bron on him and he gets practically shut down.. (Not really a fair comparison though, very tough matchup for anyone) He gets a few rebounds here and there, enough. His defense lacks a lot of the time, though he is a capable defender. He also isnt a great dribbler, but against a weak defender can get to the hoop everytime. Thats my thoughts.. Don't hate him, but soon enough he wont be the best player and i honestly think if we make a deal sending him out, we wont miss him as much for his skills as we think we might.Comment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
Here are the rankings for Granger compared to other FORWARDS ONLY, not against the whole NBA.
Granger's Rankings-
Rank Category Value
21 Assts/Gm 2.6
34 Blocks/Gm .78
26 Efficiency 17.7
17 Pts/Reb/Assts 28.5
50 Rebounds 5.4
8 Pts/Gm 20.5
18 Steals/Gm 1.13
8 Turnovers/Gm 2.6 (he is actually 8th worst, if that makes sense)
5 Total Turns. 206 (again, 5th worst)Last edited by The Sleeze; 05-27-2011, 01:36 PM.I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.Comment
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Re: Is Danny Granger overrated?
I'm slightly confused about how people view Granger's play in the playoffs. People seem to think he was great, but his defense was middling to poor throughout, and he was absolutely terrible at the end of games. For being the guy we run our offense through in clutch time, one could argue Granger IS the reason we lost the first two games.
I thought he shot well and his decision making for the first 3 1/2 quarters was good, but all things considered an average playoff showing at best!Danger ZoneComment
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