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  • Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,115265

    Interesting article plus cool pics !!

  • #2
    Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

    Really good read. And a quite sensible prediction of 37 wins.

    And it is good to read the admonition to "Go and watch this team."


    But I don't understand this part:
    You may not know it, what with per-game stats confusing things, but the Pacers actually played better on defense last year than they did on offense.
    By what definition of "better" is that statement true?
    And I won't be here to see the day
    It all dries up and blows away
    I'd hang around just to see
    But they never had much use for me
    In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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    • #3
      Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

      BDL's 2008-09 NBA Season Preview: Indiana Pacers

      By J.E. Skeets


      As the NBA preseason marches on, Ball Don't Lie looks at all 30 teams, outlining off-season transactions, projecting win totals, spinning tracks, and much, much more. It's a fun, hot mess. Next, the Indiana Pacers.

      Last Season: 36-46

      Key Players Added: TJ Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, Maceo Baston and draft pick Dr. Roy Hibbert (trade with Raptors), Jarrett Jack and draft picks Josh McRoberts and Brandon Rush (trade with Blazers)

      Key Players Lost: Jermaine O'Neal (shipped to Canada), Kareem Rush (free agent), Flip Murray (free agent), Ike Diogu (traded to Blazers, opened a small pool installation company), Jamaal Tinsley (well, probably)


      Kelly Dwyer's Endless Grey Ribbon: Leaving these guys at only 37 wins seems like a bum move. For whatever you think of T.J. Ford, he usually provides borderline All-Star stats, and last time I looked, the team with the most points wins. Guys like Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Troy Murphy are entering their primes, distractions like Jamaal Tinsley and Shawne Williams are gone, and coach Jim O’Brien has a strength that plays to these guys’ strengths. Namely, shooting the ball from very far away.

      So I wouldn’t be surprised if the team rattles off, say, 42 or 43 wins. But I just can’t help but look at this roster, look at what the players on this roster did last season on whatever team they played for, and go over 37.

      I understand that Jermaine O’Neal barely played last year, and when he did show up he was a little behind the times. Or his man. Whatever. He still brought the defense, and though Rasho Nesterovic is a pretty underrated defender, this was a team that did a miraculous job to defend as well as it did last year. You may not know it, what with per-game stats confusing things, but the Pacers actually played better on defense last year than they did on offense.

      Can it catch lightning in a bottle again in 2008-09? I’m not buying it. Hopefully I’m wrong again.

      Here is what do I know: Pacer fans need to come and see this team.

      This is a very entertaining group, and they’re quite the sight to behold in person. Regular readers know I’m not the type to usually ask people to open their wallets, and I’m especially hesitant given the current climate, but the Pacers play in one of the best buildings in the world to see a basketball game, and this team is a very entertaining group of shooters and scorers. Also, all the jerks are gone.

      (Again, depending on what you think of T.J. Ford. Let’s not shake that stick, though, OK?)

      What I do worry about, also, is the team’s depth. And whether or not Dunleavy and Danny Granger can hit over 40 percent of their three-point shots again, because that’s pretty important to the team’s overall plan. The Pacers might be wise to give up on Dunleavy, especially if he comes out on fire again this year. He’s been damn good for Indiana, but he’s also 28, in his prime, a little older than the others, and with a ready-made young backup (Brandon Roy Rush) in place.

      If it meant picking up a passable big man, draft picks, or clearing even more space for next summer (if the Pacers give up on Jarrett Jack and give Granger a deal starting at nine million, they could be 11 million or so under the salary cap this offseason), then it’s worth Indiana’s time. For the first time that I can remember, there are quite a few teams with holes at the wing position, which is usually the easiest to fill. Indiana is playing two small forwards at a time. Work on that.

      And come see this team. I know that local cable ratings went way up last season, but you get the distinct impression that no one cares when you’re watching the Pacers play at home. This is a run and gun team that sends some pretty nice rotations up into the air from 25 feet, and last I checked, Indiana residents were way into that.

      Come on back, Hoosiers. It’s safe. We promise.

      Expected Record: 37-45
      Come on back, Hoosiers. It’s safe. We promise.

      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #4
        Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

        That was a refreshing read, and it's good to see the Pacers on the right side of the news.

        "I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about." - Peter Griffin

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        • #5
          Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

          Here is what do I know: Pacer fans need to come and see this team......This is a very entertaining group, and they’re quite the sight to behold in person. Regular readers know I’m not the type to usually ask people to open their wallets, and I’m especially hesitant given the current climate, but the Pacers play in one of the best buildings in the world to see a basketball game, and this team is a very entertaining group of shooters and scorers. Also, all the jerks are gone...... And come see this team. I know that local cable ratings went way up last season, but you get the distinct impression that no one cares when you’re watching the Pacers play at home. This is a run and gun team that sends some pretty nice rotations up into the air from 25 feet, and last I checked, Indiana residents were way into that...... Come on back, Hoosiers. It’s safe. We promise.
          A little lenghty for a bilboard, & logical for Krapitz article, but its nice to see this kind of thing out there. Larry couldn't have written it any better himself (no, really, me thinks Larry likely not write soo good ). A better record perdiction would have been nice, but lets face it his up-side for us is likely close & is a play-off record, so not too bad. I just wish most "Joe the Plumbers" out there could read this.
          "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
          (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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          • #6
            Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

            I have them winning 37 too.

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            • #7
              Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

              Good read. I am thinking we finish right at .500 if everyone stays relatively healthy.

              Interesting, though, that he did advocate a Dunleavy deal for picks and a big.

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              • #8
                Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                This is not a Yahoo Sports' preview. It is just a blog on Yahoo. I felt like it was written by a fan of the Pacers, so it lost credibility with me.

                Now if I seen this written in USA Today, SI, or Sporting News... I'd be impressed.
                ...Still "flying casual"
                @roaminggnome74

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                • #9
                  Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                  Hard to disagree with this:

                  What I do worry about, also, is the team’s depth. And whether or not Dunleavy and Danny Granger can hit over 40 percent of their three-point shots again, because that’s pretty important to the team’s overall plan. The Pacers might be wise to give up on Dunleavy, especially if he comes out on fire again this year. He’s been damn good for Indiana, but he’s also 28, in his prime, a little older than the others, and with a ready-made young backup (Brandon Roy Rush) in place.

                  If it meant picking up a passable big man, draft picks, or clearing even more space for next summer (if the Pacers give up on Jarrett Jack and give Granger a deal starting at nine million, they could be 11 million or so under the salary cap this offseason), then it’s worth Indiana’s time. For the first time that I can remember, there are quite a few teams with holes at the wing position, which is usually the easiest to fill. Indiana is playing two small forwards at a time. Work on that.
                  This space for rent.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                    Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                    Really good read. And a quite sensible prediction of 37 wins.

                    And it is good to read the admonition to "Go and watch this team."


                    But I don't understand this part:


                    By what definition of "better" is that statement true?
                    The only thing I can think of this could be in reference to is Offensive Rating vs. Defensive Rating.

                    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...y.html#off_rtg

                    Basically, these are points scored/allowed per 100 possession. It depends on how you're going to define "better", though. The Pacer's Offensive Rating was 106.0, while the Defensive Rating was 107.5. However, the Pacers ranked 15th in DR, while only standing 19th in OR. Statistically, it was worse, but relative to the rest of the league, they were "better".

                    As with all statistics, you have to understand the context and limitations. I think he's stretching the point, almost to breaking, here. When I saw that OR/DR thing a few months ago, it did make me stop and think. However, I couldn't decide whether it was telling we that we were farther along defensively than I thought, or that we weren't as far along offensively as it seemed.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                      Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                      This is not a Yahoo Sports' preview. It is just a blog on Yahoo. I felt like it was written by a fan of the Pacers, so it lost credibility with me.

                      Now if I seen this written in USA Today, SI, or Sporting News... I'd be impressed.
                      ummm... it's kelly dwyer. he used to write for SI among other places (like True Hoop, etc). he is also admittedly a major bulls fan. dwyer is one of the best and funniest analysts more people should be reading.
                      This is the darkest timeline.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                        Key Players Lost: Jermaine O'Neal (shipped to Canada)
                        HA HA HA HA HA

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                        • #13
                          Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                          Originally posted by Kelly Dwyer View Post
                          The Pacers might be wise to give up on Dunleavy, especially if he comes out on fire again this year.
                          Okay, so if he sucks, we keep him, but if he's great we trade him quick?

                          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                          • #14
                            Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                            Well if he sucks, we have no choice but to keep him, because who would make an offer for him then?

                            If he's great, his stock is even higher, so an even better time to trade him.
                            2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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                            • #15
                              Re: Yahoo's Indiana Pacers season preview

                              I guess this makes sense because we're doubled up at the three (Granger).

                              But if he's that good, I'd just rather keep Dun instead.
                              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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