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[Star] Defend the paint

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  • [Star] Defend the paint

    Unclebuck, thunderbird, et al, we get our first taste of the changes in the defense this year.

    October 1, 2008

    Defend the paint

    That's the rallying cry for Indiana's defense

    By Jeff Rabjohns

    Early Tuesday afternoon at Conseco Fieldhouse, Indiana Pacers coach Jim O'Brien stopped the action and walked near the free throw line.

    "The entire point of the drill," he emphasized, "is keeping the basketball out of the paint."

    It was only the first training camp practice, but the Pacers were at work on what they feel is a key component behind their offseason overhaul.

    After a year in which their inability to stop dribble penetration led to a variety of defensive breakdowns, the Pacers acquired point guards T.J. Ford and Jarrett Jack in trades, drafted a defensive center in Roy Hibbert and a forward in Brandon Rush who often guarded the opponent's best wing player in college.

    While O'Brien is tweaking the defensive system, he has emphasized better defensive play at the point will be a key.

    Ford is the likely starter, with Jack the backup and Travis Diener the third point guard.

    "It all starts with the ability to keep your man in front of you. We couldn't do that last year," O'Brien said. "T.J. is pretty good at doing that. Jarrett Jack is just a tough-minded guy who keeps the ball in front, will hit people, take charges, get on the ground for loose balls, is the type of individual that will help our team own our defense.

    "I thought Travis got much, much better defensively and grew as a defensive player in a number of areas. We're just significantly better just if you start at the point of attack."

    The Pacers allowed the fifth-most points per game last year (105.4) and tied with Washington as the worst team against the 3-pointer, allowing teams to shoot 38.6 percent.

    With a fast-break offense, O'Brien expects the Pacers to be among the league's top five teams in scoring. The difference in wins and losses -- or making the playoffs and watching from home -- likely will come down to stops. O'Brien reminded the Pacers that they allowed 1.5 more points than they scored last season, and each possession is worth potentially six points.

    "All the good teams keep the ball out of the middle and contest shots," said Ford, acquired from Toronto in the Jermaine O'Neal trade. "In order for us to be a good team, those are two areas we have to master."

    The most significant change in approach is on pick-and-rolls. Instead of pushing the player with the ball toward the free throw line, the Pacers will try to steer the player toward the baseline.

    The intent is to shorten the distance in defensive rotations
    , which could help Hibbert, a 7-2 rookie from Georgetown.

    "As any 7-footer, you have to block up the middle," Hibbert said. "I have to do my part and own the paint and make sure if any guys get beat from the middle of the baseline to the paint, I'm there to help out as much as possible.

    "These guys are going to have to rely on me as the second line of defense, so I'm going to have to do my part."

    Hibbert has been blocking shots but is working on staying on his feet so he doesn't get pump-faked into foul trouble. Tuesday's first practice revealed glimpses of the potential and the problems. He'll also be facing more physical post players than in college, but he said he's looking forward to that.

    "I like it a lot, actually," he said. "They let you bang in the post here. In college, I go up against 6-8 centers most of the time. Just to get a chance to be physical and bang in there is enticing."

    Hibbert will battle Jeff Foster and Rasho Nesterovic for minutes. O'Brien made it clear Monday during media day and again in practice Tuesday that whoever wins the starting position will be a physical presence, particularly on defense.

    "I want there to be daily wars at that position," O'Brien said. "I want to see people getting their lips cut and their noses bloodied because then whoever earns the majority of the playing time will be toughened by his teammates. I think it will evolve just like every other position."

    Defensive details: Rookie Roy Hibbert defends the lane after Pacers defenders force Danny Granger (33) to the baseline in practice Tuesday. A change from last year is that the Pacers want to force opposing players to the baseline instead of the free throw line. - MATT DIAL / The Star

    Listen up: Pacers coach Jim O'Brien offers instructions. O'Brien wants better defensive play at point guard this season.


    I think this is a good move. It should also mean less of what appeared in '08 to be, "force them down the lane and pray to draw a charge."

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    Maybe it's just the slant in the article....but it seems that Hibbert is expected to be a key piece of this team.


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      ^^is he not supposed to be? the way i see it, regardless of how he actually performs this year (we all know w/o even playing a single game he's an improvement over Harrison), the best thing for us in the long run is getting him consistent minutes. I expect to see him at at least 15 mins every night.

      Good read again. I haven't been this excited since the Reggie days, this is fantastic
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        I like pushing the dribbler to the baseline. Seems like more and more teams are defending pick and rolls that way. Phil Jackson has been doing it that way for years, first as the Bulls coach and then as Lakers coach. Of course you can't do that all the time especially on the pick and roll that starts at the top of the key which is becoming the most popular pick and roll - ever since the defensive rules were changed which made side pick and rolls easier to defend.

        Pushing baseline will keep the Pacers big guy from having to run such a long distance first to trap and then to either get back to his own man or someone elses man. Another advantage is that there is simply less room to work in the corners, fewer angles. Certain players though you just can't do it this way, Iverson is one, he loves the baseline, Kobe is another one - well actually he is great everywhere,

        Overall I like the change. But most of all I just hpe we are aggressive in the rotations and aggressive in the ball pressure - Jack should help a lot - he's probably the best defender of that sort since Erick Strickland
        Last edited by Unclebuck; 10-01-2008, 08:41 AM.


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          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          Pushing baseline will keep the Pacers big guy from having to run such a long distance first to trap and then to either get back to his own man or someone elses man.

          Overall I like the change.

          I understand the value of controlling the interior, and of shortening the distance any player has to go to help or cover an open man. I also understand how the sidelines can work like a 6th defender.

          What are we giving up to do this? What is the down side?
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            It's a good question, and I don't know the answer. I'd like to think it's just an improvement we can afford to do with having two point guards who can pressure and having a big center who can defend the paint. Mainly the improvement at PG.

            I think making our help run less distance is a big deal.


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              I just hope that Hibbert will not spend most of his time on the bench with foul trouble due to ticky-tacky fouls


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                In my book, there is not downside to forcing players to the baseline. IMHO, it's the best way to defend the pick and roll. I think that's why the Spurs tend to run so many from the top of the key. Harder to force the offensive player to a particular side.

                Although I'm glad O'Brian is opting to force P&O to the sideline, what is most important is HOW we defend it. Are we going to try and slide through the pick...switch off...trap? THAT is what is most important.

                I like what UB had to say about it, especially how certain players LIKE being forced to the baseline, like Kobe and Iverson.

                This is going to take some smart interior defense to make this work. Hibbert, Foster and Rado are really going to have to recognize what is happening with the pick man, along with how and when he's going to roll to the basket.

                The one possible downside I see is that we can set ourselves up for a nasty backdoor cut from the weakside as we force the play to the baseline.
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                  Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
                  I just hope that Hibbert will not spend most of his time on the bench with foul trouble due to ticky-tacky fouls
                  That's probably inevitable at first, but the question is how quickly will he learn to stay on his feet. And how quickly will the refs stop treating him like a rookie. Honestly, on that front the most important thing is that Roy DOES NOT complain to the refs. He might a little, but if I were him I'd be telling myself to do it less than whomever I consider to be a moderate/mild complainer. If he gets on the refs' **** list like Harrison did, it's over.


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                    Skaut, I went ahead and emailed that question about defending the PnR to Mike Wells, asking him to ask Jim O'Brien about it. We'll see if it shows up this week in a blog or article.


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                      The downside is that it does allow the picker (usually the big guy setting the pick) to get open shots - as it is very difficult to get out to him in that situation. When you force the dribbler baseline the big guy setting the pick will veer to the outside near the top of the key area and if you have a shooter like Sheed or even KG he will get a lot of pretty good open 20 ft shots. Of course yuou can always pre-rotate and get out to the shooter.


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                        It looks like Mike is going to help us out. His response to my email:

                        Originally posted by Mike Wells
                        I'll try to do a blog on it today. If not, I'll definitely do something on it tomorrow.


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                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          The downside is that it does allow the picker (usually the big guy setting the pick) to get open shots - as it is very difficult to get out to him in that situation. When you force the dribbler baseline the big guy setting the pick will veer to the outside near the top of the key area and if you have a shooter like Sheed or even KG he will get a lot of pretty good open 20 ft shots. Of course yuou can always pre-rotate and get out to the shooter.
                          That's the kind of weakness I like. You always have to give something up to multi-dimensional players, and I'd rather it be a 20 foot shot than something closer and/or attacking the basket.


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                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            Erick Strickland
                            That seems like two lifetimes ago.
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                              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                              That seems like two lifetimes ago.
                              And thank God for that. Makes me long for the Tim Hardaway days.

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                              Phyiscal post defense? I'm pretty sure that is even less of the "front the post" garbage. Foster is trade bait, and with the roster changes is expendable. Out of all six PFs/Cs, he's the least physical and most reliant on speed/ jumping.
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