Jermaine O'Neal heading to Toronto for T.J. Ford, #17 pick. Pacers get Baston, give up pick #41

[CableKC]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

Anybody else concerned that this may have been the high water mark for JO trade value?

Nope.....right now...this is the best that I can expect for him.

IMHO....the going rate for an All-Star caliber player was set by the KG, Iverson and Gasol ( to a certain extent ) trades over the last couple of years. The going rate for any All-Star is a single ( at most multiple ) 1st round pick ( this year or next years ), some prospect(s) and some Expiring Contract....basically your standard "rebuilding" trade that the TWolves, Sixers and Grizzlies made.

In this case...we didn't get that ( since Ford has injury concerns and a huge contract )....JONeal isn't a real All-Star anymore and has some serious injury concerns. But if the deal went through.....we could have gotten a 1st round pick, a player with comprable injury concerns and a decent sized Expiring Contract....which I could come to tolerate and accept going forward.

[aceace]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

My thoughts on this trade.. It was leaked to see how the media and fans from both sides would react and to let other teams interested in JO know that he may be off the market soon, so they needed to up their antes' and make their final offers.

I will go out on a line and say that if Toronto doesn't take him no one else will, too big a contract.

[Kegboy]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

Anybody else concerned that this may have been the high water mark for JO trade value?

[indygeezer]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

I don't believe what I read on a Yahoo sports site or any other for that matter. I'll wait to see Well's disclaimor in tomorrow's IS. Then I will say, "See, I told you it was too early to believe this trade."

OTOH...if it were legit then I do not believe that it is dead, merely resting.

[Plax80]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

Isn't that what we've been doing only to see JO's value plummet deeper and deeper?



Which has what to do with JO?

-Bball

Agreed......so why trade him now ?

If you just want to dump him for an expiring deal........trade him for Marbury......who is probbaly a better player than TJ Ford......certainly has more upside...........and who comes off the books next year and keeps you from having to take Rasho.

The Knicks would likely swap picks with you in that deal as well.

I didn't say that I wouldn't trade him..........just not for TJ Ford unless you are convinced Ford's neck is not a problem.

[Plax80]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

I completely agree. If we can get Chris Paul and Yao Ming, we should get them. Also, let's try to get a good 2nd rounder... you know, like G-Arenas or Antonio.

My point is to scout for the best potential player long term and not draft to fill a need with a marginal player.

I'll almost guarantee that there will be three or four all star players drafted after #10.

In fact on our 60 win team....we had

Jo picked in the 20's
Artest picked at about 15
Brad Miller picked in round 2
Reggie picked at 11
tinsley picked at 27

Can Larry pick one of the All Stars ??

He's done well with Granger and Williams......so there is a bit of hope.

[The Unknown]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

People really have no idea just how talented T.J. Ford is. He's very capable of putting up 17 and 9.

[D-BONE]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

Anybody else concerned that this may have been the high water mark for JO trade value?

Thought did cross my mind. Over in the Chad Ford on 1070 thread, it was reported that Ford said regarding the JO to Toronto rumor that he thought the Pacers could do better. I wonder what he means by better? I found that remark surprising.

[Kegboy]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

He's done well with Granger and Williams......so there is a bit of hope.

You think he did well with Shawne when he left Rhondo on the board?

[Plax80]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

Anybody else concerned that this may have been the high water mark for JO trade value?

Maybe.

As others have said, the market for aging, expensive former all stars is an expiring deal, a first rd pick, and filler.

Next years draft is suppossed to be weaker than this one.......so even if a contender goes after him next Frebruary, they are trading a late first and something else.........but matbe it gives you the ability to see who that team takes this year and if that player and another first is enough compensation.

In this case you had to decide if Darrel Arthur or Javelle Mcgee or whomever at 17 is enough of a return to warrant trading him. Ford isn't much of an upgrade over Tinsley.

You aren't really saving any money since Ford and Rasho almost make as much between them as JO.

[Plax80]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

You think he did well with Shawne when he left Rhondo on the board?

Thats a tough question. For me on our team, I still like Williams' long term potential better than Rondo.

One of the reasons I wouldn't mind any JO trade is that I would like to see him get more minutes at PF as his body matures.

[mrknowname]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

You think he did well with Shawne when he left Rhondo on the board?

his teammates make him look better than he really is imo

[bambam]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

You think he did well with Shawne when he left Rhondo on the board?

Can you really grade Williams yet? Come on, he would of what been a senior? Give him a lil time. I guess that means Steve Nash would of been a bust after his first few seasons.

96-97 3pts, 2ast
97-98 9pts, 3ast

Did you see him becoming the league MVP?

[eldubious]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

I'm not sure if this deal is dead or another one isn't heating up. Bird is pretty sure they are getting a second 1st round pick. I wouldn't be overly excited or dissappointed about the Toronto deal. But, my thinking is couldn't the Pacers pull another 1st round pick without JO? I'm pretty sure Foster can get the Pacers another lst round pick. If the Pacers were to do the Toronto deal, I'm almost certain it would be Arthur at 11 and the best available guard at 17 whether it's Chalmers, Rush, or Augustin. Although, keep an eye on Ajinca, he is getting alot of buzz from teams.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

his teammates make him look better than he really is imo

They probably do, but he had some great moments in that series. I had not watched much of him until the Lakers series and I came away pretty amazed at how good he is. He is not the prototypical PG, but he really can make plays and defends very well. He is also completely fearless particularly for a young player. BTW, we would not even be thinking of drafting a PG right now if we had him...