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The Rules of Pacers Digest
Hello everyone,
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Since the Pacers won they won't be in this post game thread. They love it when they lose so they can blame himOriginally posted by Granville Fleming View PostComment
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Yup, this was a massive difference that the Pacers were able to throw Siakam on him. Orlando is still a hard opponent, but they aren't such a horrible matchup as they were in November.Originally posted by BornIndy View PostComment
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I try to give Myles credit whenever it's due but he has some games (like tonight) where he is generally just so utterly inept finishing in the paint that it's mind boggling for a veteran player of his size and skill set.Originally posted by Granville Fleming View PostComment
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Great game. Myles was great defensively, his best defensive game in a while. It’s no surprise that we had maybe our best defensive game of the season. It also helps that Orlando has poor spacing and shooting.
Orlando scouts us about as well as anyone. It’s pretty impressive.
Obi Toppin was great tonight, even on defense. He has been a pleasant surprise lately.
Jarace picked a terrible game to play poorly. I hate it because Rick has him on a very short leash.
Tyrese still looks hurt to me.Comment
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Ive been ok with his game offensively for the type of finesse player that he is....it's his defense that in my opinion has been poor most of the season, but not tonight....feels like a difference in scheme lately and the last few games he has protected the paint like a champ!! Good for him.Originally posted by 712Jefferson View PostComment
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Some lineup numbers from last night:
Starting Lineup: +5.65, 18 minutes
Haliburton/Siakam: +6.71, 21 minutes
Haliburton NO Siakam: +41.38, 13 minutes
Siakam NO Haliburton: 0, 10 minutes
NO Haliburton or Siakam, -50, only 1 minute
I had noticed before last night that Haliburton/McConnell hadn't played together very much at all, but when they did it was really good. Last night was:
Haliburton/McConnell: +33.95, 14 minutes
Which means on the season they are:
Haliburton/McConnell: +22.16, 107 minutesComment
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Well it's a good thing I don't gamble on sports. I would have lost all that I own on this one because up until halftime I would have bet everything I own on the fact we would never win this game. In fact during the first quarter I was thinking to myself that I would rather face Boston in the playoffs than Orlando.
But then it all turned and one of the more surprising games I can remember occurred.
What I find almost comical is that we started out the year as a high octane run them out of the gym scoring team and we win this one by slow grinding defense. I understand this style of play more but I won't deny we had success this season the other way as well.
The last time we played them we started Buddy, Obi, Myles, Tyrese & Andrew. 3 guards and one very finesse forward and Myles (I will let you define him however you want). Going against their gigantic front line it just did not work, it didn't work either time and neither game was particularly close no matter what the final score was. Obi played a lot this game, some of it at the 3 I think unless you think Siakam played the 3 for awhile which he could have I guess. But Obi played much more physically this game than either of the other two and frankly he was very impactful.
The importance of Nesmith hitting 4 big 3's in the second half cannot be overstated. He got us tied up and then after that every other one put a stymie on any type of run they were making. His defense on Wagner was also very good and the fact they never really tried to isolate Wagner on Nesmith is both a testament to his defense and poke at their inability to run an offense. Aaron took what normally would be a liability in his size and today made it work.
Was Siakam the difference today vs previous times? I would say yes, but it's not really a simple case of him being there vs not. His ability to get a shot in traffic vs. long players certainly was important. His active hands on defense were also a huge factor, however what I don't know for sure is did his defense force Banchero to take so many horrible 3 point shots or did we just get lucky and Paulo was being lazy and inept? That I don't know the answer to, but either way I'm glad it happened.
In reading this thread I'm a little taken aback about some of the vitriol over Myles. I mean I'm always up for some complaining about Turner whenever it's warranted but this game? Not sure what it is some of you were seeing today that I guess I missed. In fact I thought his shot blocking at the end really put the nail in the coffin of the Magic. I mean would I prefer for him not to allow Carter to grab 15 rebounds? Sure but in the end he did grab 8 and for me that has always been the threshold for Myles, just give me 8 and I won't throw a fit. Well he got 8 and frankly he was everywhere in those final 4 minutes. He didn't have a spectacular game but I sure didn't see the ineptitude in this game that some of you did. I may need to go to a refresher school to update my Myles hater club card.
Also how do we not give McConnel all of his credit. Look if we just say we are going to keep T.J. until he retires can we all just agree that that would be fine? Once he no longer can play he can take over Johnsons role on the bench and then after that a couple years being Lloyd Pierce and then after that Coach McConnel. I honestly believe he is one of the more important pacers not just for his play but for being that veteran role player who really can show the younger guys by example what it means to be a player.
Overall a thrilling game, one that was so badly needed because I really thought that we were headed for a 3 game losing streak. But now comes the buzz saw of OKC. Hell after that game who knows what will happen.
Now so not to be just a Pollyanna I will point out a negative. We won the game so ultimately it doesn't matter and he played fine on defense, which is needed. But Andrew Nembhard has got to snap out of this offensive funk he has been in for some time. He only attempted 2 shots in almost 26 minutes of play. No player, I don't care who, can be that ineffective on the offensive end of the floor for that long of a period of time.
Also I will once again complain about the treatment of Jarace Walker. He got a whopping 3 minutes of play and was yanked out of there. My statement to that is this. Whatever mistakes he made, I'm assuming he missed a couple of defensive assignments, are mistakes he could have made back in November and December and January and February and maybe he wouldn't make them now. In other words if he had been getting any developmental time, not just G league time, then he might be more ready now. But again I will always say this as well, it is not a coach's primary job to develop players, it is his job to win games. So I will say that Jarace must not be ready. I can only hope that he is next season because we really need his size to matter.
Overall though a great game
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I'm still surprised we didn't keep Naz Long around to eventually put him on the coaching staffOriginally posted by Peck View PostWell it's a good thing I don't gamble on sports. I would have lost all that I own on this one because up until halftime I would have bet everything I own on the fact we would never win this game. In fact during the first quarter I was thinking to myself that I would rather face Boston in the playoffs than Orlando.
But then it all turned and one of the more surprising games I can remember occurred.
What I find almost comical is that we started out the year as a high octane run them out of the gym scoring team and we win this one by slow grinding defense. I understand this style of play more but I won't deny we had success this season the other way as well.
The last time we played them we started Buddy, Obi, Myles, Tyrese & Andrew. 3 guards and one very finesse forward and Myles (I will let you define him however you want). Going against their gigantic front line it just did not work, it didn't work either time and neither game was particularly close no matter what the final score was. Obi played a lot this game, some of it at the 3 I think unless you think Siakam played the 3 for awhile which he could have I guess. But Obi played much more physically this game than either of the other two and frankly he was very impactful.
The importance of Nesmith hitting 4 big 3's in the second half cannot be overstated. He got us tied up and then after that every other one put a stymie on any type of run they were making. His defense on Wagner was also very good and the fact they never really tried to isolate Wagner on Nesmith is both a testament to his defense and poke at their inability to run an offense. Aaron took what normally would be a liability in his size and today made it work.
Was Siakam the difference today vs previous times? I would say yes, but it's not really a simple case of him being there vs not. His ability to get a shot in traffic vs. long players certainly was important. His active hands on defense were also a huge factor, however what I don't know for sure is did his defense force Banchero to take so many horrible 3 point shots or did we just get lucky and Paulo was being lazy and inept? That I don't know the answer to, but either way I'm glad it happened.
In reading this thread I'm a little taken aback about some of the vitriol over Myles. I mean I'm always up for some complaining about Turner whenever it's warranted but this game? Not sure what it is some of you were seeing today that I guess I missed. In fact I thought his shot blocking at the end really put the nail in the coffin of the Magic. I mean would I prefer for him not to allow Carter to grab 15 rebounds? Sure but in the end he did grab 8 and for me that has always been the threshold for Myles, just give me 8 and I won't throw a fit. Well he got 8 and frankly he was everywhere in those final 4 minutes. He didn't have a spectacular game but I sure didn't see the ineptitude in this game that some of you did. I may need to go to a refresher school to update my Myles hater club card.
Also how do we not give McConnel all of his credit. Look if we just say we are going to keep T.J. until he retires can we all just agree that that would be fine? Once he no longer can play he can take over Johnsons role on the bench and then after that a couple years being Lloyd Pierce and then after that Coach McConnel. I honestly believe he is one of the more important pacers not just for his play but for being that veteran role player who really can show the younger guys by example what it means to be a player.
Overall a thrilling game, one that was so badly needed because I really thought that we were headed for a 3 game losing streak. But now comes the buzz saw of OKC. Hell after that game who knows what will happen.
Now so not to be just a Pollyanna I will point out a negative. We won the game so ultimately it doesn't matter and he played fine on defense, which is needed. But Andrew Nembhard has got to snap out of this offensive funk he has been in for some time. He only attempted 2 shots in almost 26 minutes of play. No player, I don't care who, can be that ineffective on the offensive end of the floor for that long of a period of time.
Also I will once again complain about the treatment of Jarace Walker. He got a whopping 3 minutes of play and was yanked out of there. My statement to that is this. Whatever mistakes he made, I'm assuming he missed a couple of defensive assignments, are mistakes he could have made back in November and December and January and February and maybe he wouldn't make them now. In other words if he had been getting any developmental time, not just G league time, then he might be more ready now. But again I will always say this as well, it is not a coach's primary job to develop players, it is his job to win games. So I will say that Jarace must not be ready. I can only hope that he is next season because we really need his size to matter.
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I was thinking about this lately. But if there is one bet that you should make; it's to bet against the Pacers in the 2nd half of a B2B game.Originally posted by Peck View Post
Wed, March 13th - vs. Chicago ( Home )
Mon, March 25th - at LAC ( Road )
These are the remaining games in the 2nd of a B2B games for the Pacers for the rest of the year. Given their horrendous track record in B2B games, this maybe a safe bet to make
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