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It felt like we were 10 years away just a few years ago imo. Maybe Dipo's first season it felt like a couple years away? That sounds about right. I was definitely high on the hopium. Then it expired once he got hurt and we took our little team (1.0) through the trade deadline into the playoffs.Comment
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Myles Turner could be that second All Star ....top 5 center in the leagueComment
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I think Toppin was brought in mainly to plug a gap until Walker is ready. Unfortunately Walker seems farther away from being ready than I thought he would be.
As far as Kuminga is concerned, I like the idea. I would be willing to trade anyone but Halliburton and Mathurin. Some guys I would be much more willing to trade than others, but I would still move them for the right deal.Last edited by sav; 11-03-2023, 09:36 AM.Comment
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Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.Comment
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I'd give up Math and a 1st rounder. Hell, I'd probably even throw Nemby in there. Really, they could take their pick of any 2 or 3 players not named Haliburton. Alpy is really that good. We'd probably still get turned down.
And yes, I just made up Alpy. That's his new nickname now.Last edited by PaceBalls; 11-03-2023, 10:34 AM.Comment
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I understand that feeling. Here's how I look at it.
The riskiest time for this franchise right now is 4/5 years from now. The offseason before Haliburton's free agency and the offseason of his free agency. So it's vitally important that the team is good in the years preceding those two offseasons.
So I work backwards and try to plan out events. If the Pacers try to trade for a star now, they probably become a second round playoff type team. The team is simply too young and raw to have a championship upside right now even with Haliburton and a second star. The star leaves in two-three years, and suddenly the team is in shambles right before Haliburton's free agency. Now, obviously, there is way more uncertainty than that. No one can predict exactly what will happen. But those are probably the most reasonable scenarios.
But if the Pacers continue to be slow going and let players like Mathurin/Walker develop, on a smaller scale if they keep letting players like Nesmith/Jalen Smith/Nembhard develop, they could both have a higher upside when that star is traded for, and they are more likely to be good when Haliburton's next extension talk comes up. The team has to be ready to roll when the star comes in.
Now if you think instead that trading Mathurin/Walker/picks for a top 10 player makes the Pacers immediately an inner circle contender, then yeah that's worth it. I don't see the team as there yet, and I don't see the player that's available yet with that kind of upside.
One last point. I have zero problem whatsoever with the Pacers making a consolidation trade. If the Pacers can package a couple good players for a very good one, absolutely let's do it. But it's not time to throw the future assets and go all in yet.Comment
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have we looked behind the couch?Comment
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The most realistic path....tank and draft Matas BuzelisComment
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Current all-star: No clue
Breakout player: Trey MurphyComment
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Largely agree with Cubs, FWIW. Would be a mistake to trade all or most young/future assets for a win-now type of splash because even Tyrese isn't quite ready yet to truly compete for a championship.Comment
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With the roster we currently have, the 2 most likely would be Mathurin or Walker.
Mathurin, to this point, is showing signs more in line with guys like Jordam Poole or Anfernee Simons. Guys, that can certainly drop 20 points a night, but it's better to be doing so off the bench.
Walker, we have no idea about it at this point. He certainly has a really nice raw skillset. 6'7 with a 7'2 wingspan, shown flashes of playmaking and defending. What I've read is that he is usually one of, if not the first person in the gym, most days, so the work ethic is there as well. Is he a Pascal Siakam? An Aaron Gordon? A Thad Young? I guess only time will tell how good he can become.
Ultimately, the guy Haliburton needs next to him might not be here yet, could be on another team, or not even in the league. We've got 2/3 years to figure it out before I'm going to get concerned about losing our franchise player.
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I think the riskiest time for this franchise has been the dumpster fire that has been the past few seasons. The Brogdon levert lineup stank. I legit could not stand the pacers then. We moved on from that. We have a star. We have a lot of cap space. We had enough for a max contract. Of course, Phoenix thankfully matched the contract for Ayton, but we proceeded to…pay Myles a lot more. We went into the draft with a lot of picks and came out with a lot of guards. Let’s please not wait for paint to dry and give our star some real support - last season (and glimpses of this season) have indicated that without Haliburton, we are garbage. We cannot rely that heavily on one player and even if our guys develop, I’ve seen little evidence that they’ll develop into the bona fide star that we need. I’ll throw assets at winning now, it’ll at least show the fan base that the fo cares about something beyond lining their pockets.Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.Comment
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