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  • Peck
    Administrator
    • Jan 2004
    • 20053

    #1

    Let us talk about Bennedict Mathurin

    Since not everyone gets a chance to attend the Pacers Digest Gatherings I thought it would be a fun idea to bring the gathering to the Digest. For those who have never attended basically we take a topic and go around the room with each person having some time to talk about the subject. Sadly the facility we have had to use lately closes at 9 and while we start at 5 you would be surprised how quickly those 4 hours go and how rushed we are at the end.

    So what I'm going to do here and see how it goes is pick a few topics on different days and give everyone on the digest a time to talk about the subject at hand. Typically we try and allow people to go in any direction they want but just to make this easier I'll throw out a few talking points and people can either expand or contract on them, or frankly ignore them altogether as this is a fun exercise and hopefully will instill some interesting topics for the upcoming dog days of summer.

    Also for those of you who did attend the latest gathering, jump in as well.

    Bennedict is our highest draft choice in well over 30 years. Obviously Jon Bender was drafted at 5 for us but it was still Toronto's pick.

    His measurements at the combine were

    6'4.5" barefoot tall
    6'6" in shoes tall
    8'8" standing reach
    6'9" wingspan

    I'm not going to list his college stats as I don't find them relevant.

    1. Should Mathrin start or come off of the bench?
    2. What position should he play?
    3. Will he be able to guard high level wings/shooting guards in the NBA?
    4. What will be his biggest strength?
    5. What will be his biggest weakness?
    6. How many PPG do you think he will average this season?
    7. Does he have a chance at R.O.Y.? or 1st all rookie team?
    8. Do you see him as an anchor or cornerstone type player for the Pacers moving forward?
    9. Is there a better point guard or type of point guard that would work next to him or is Haliburton the best possible p.g. to be with him?
    10. Is Rick Carlisle the coach who will get the most out of him?


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
  • owl
    Member
    • Mar 2004
    • 17659

    #2
    1-I am torn on whether he should start or not. I would be inclined to eaze him into the starting role.
    It is a loonngg season for a rookie

    2-Shooting guard for his career

    3-Average defense as a rookie

    4-He is going to score …a lot and bring tough attitude

    5–Defense

    6–18. When he plays
    {o,o}
    |)__)
    -"-"-

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    • PacerDude
      It's just my opinion.
      • May 2009
      • 10049

      #3
      1. Should Mathurin start or come off of the bench?

      Bench guy to start with.

      2. What position should he play?

      SG.

      3. Will he be able to guard high level wings/shooting guards in the NBA?

      Eventually. It won't be horrible to start, but he's got a lot to learn.

      4. What will be his biggest strength?

      Putting up points.

      5. What will be his biggest weakness?

      Learning defense.

      6. How many PPG do you think he will average this season?

      12-14 if he gets 25+ a game. So - 1/2 point a minute.

      7. Does he have a chance at R.O.Y.? or 1st all rookie team?

      ROY - nah. Won't play enough and won't be a top 3 focal point of the team. 1st all rook ?? Probably not.

      8. Do you see him as an anchor or cornerstone type player for the Pacers moving forward?

      An important piece. I'm not sure THE MAN is on this team as of now.

      9. Is there a better point guard or type of point guard that would work next to him or is Haliburton the best possible p.g. to be with him?

      I think Haliburton is the right PG for pretty much any player - other than another PG.

      10. Is Rick Carlisle the coach who will get the most out of him?

      Sure. Gotta have faith.

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      • stew
        Member
        • Jan 2004
        • 529

        #4
        1. Should Mathrin start or come off of the bench?
        I think it’s better for his development to come off the bench. And for Mathurin to work harder and earn the position.


        2. What position should he play?
        Sg

        3. Will he be able to guard high level wings/shooting guards in the NBA?
        I believe he can develop and be able to guard high level shooting guard in the future, he has the tools and skill set for it.

        but I think he is too small to guard forward full time.


        4. What will be his biggest strength?
        shooting. I like his ability to come off screens, square up and hit shots with someone guarding him.

        5. What will be his biggest weakness?
        Isolation/ self creation.

        he shown some self creation his last game in summer league, but he still have much to improve.

        6. How many PPG do you think he will average this season?
        8 to 12.

        7. Does he have a chance at R.O.Y.? or 1st all rookie team?
        Yes, if the pacers trade buddy, it will free up more playing time.

        8. Do you see him as an anchor or cornerstone type player for the Pacers moving forward?

        He can be. I think the pacers should develop him in the mold of klay.

        I actually see some Klay in him, the way he uses screen and shoot tough shots.. But still very very far away…


        9. Is there a better point guard or type of point guard that would work next to him or is Haliburton the best possible p.g. to be with him?

        I think mathurin and hali complements each other very well…


        10. Is Rick Carlisle the coach who will get the most out of him

        i think so,

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        • Rogco
          Undefeated
          • Sep 2010
          • 6495

          #5
          1. Should Mathrin start or come off of the bench?
          Doesn't matter as long as he is getting significant minutes. I trust Carlisle to play him a lot and often at the end of games.
          2. What position should he play?
          SG
          3. Will he be able to guard high level wings/shooting guards in the NBA?
          Not yet. His defense seems suspect. I think he'll be a middle of the road defender
          4. What will be his biggest strength?
          fearlessness
          5. What will be his biggest weakness?
          ball handling and defense
          6. How many PPG do you think he will average this season?
          16.5
          7. Does he have a chance at R.O.Y.? or 1st all rookie team?
          65% chance of 1st all rookie team, 10% of ROY
          8. Do you see him as an anchor or cornerstone type player for the Pacers moving forward?
          Important piece, but not anchor
          9. Is there a better point guard or type of point guard that would work next to him or is Haliburton the best possible p.g. to be with him?
          Haliburton is fine
          10. Is Rick Carlisle the coach who will get the most out of him?
          I'm fine with Rick

          I think Mathrin will be a chucker at as arookie who will have days that will delight, and days that will severely frustrate. He seems fearless and confident, which will lead to some high scoring 30+ nights, and I wouldn't be surprised if he hits 40+ at some point this year. But I also see nights where he is 2-12 with 7 turnovers. I<O he his a high ceiling, especially if puts in consistent effort on D and works on his handling over the next couple years. I foresee him being a "closer" and the type of player who, a few years down the road, will shine in the playoffs.
          Danger Zone

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          • Hoop
            PG who Points
            • Jan 2004
            • 6110

            #6
            1. Should Mathrin start or come off of the bench?
            He should start from day 1

            2. What position should he play?
            Shooting guard, but really not sure if there much different in SF's these days, A wing is a wing.

            3. Will he be able to guard high level wings/shooting guards in the NBA?
            I think he has the potential and athleticism to.

            4. What will be his biggest strength?
            3 point shooting, also a good driver and nice pull up. He's not a one trick pony

            5. What will be his biggest weakness?
            Defense to start with. He's very well rounded. He can pass, shoot and defend, IMO

            6. How many PPG do you think he will average this season?
            17ppg

            7. Does he have a chance at R.O.Y.? or 1st all rookie team?
            Most definitely 1st team, a small shot at ROY.

            8. Do you see him as an anchor or cornerstone type player for the Pacers moving forward?
            I think he can be a perennial all-star.

            9. Is there a better point guard or type of point guard that would work next to him or is Haliburton the best possible p.g. to be with him?
            Math and Hali are a great combo of skills.

            10. Is Rick Carlisle the coach who will get the most out of him?
            I think so.
            "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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            • Guest

              #7
              Ben published an essay Indy, I’m All In on The Players' Tribune.

              Pour lire en fran?ais, cliquez ici.

              People love asking me, have I always been this confident? Have I always been this kind of player, the dude who plays with big emotion and talks a little trash? And everytime they ask me, I just laugh … because the answer is simple.

              YES.

              I’ve always been confident as hell, because of where I come from and because of my heritage. I’m a proud Haitian-Canadian who was raised by so many strong women. And that strength they showed me, it’s really been with me my whole life — and it’s only grown through the challenges I’ve had to face.

              Growing up in Montreal, in the apartments that my family stayed at on Dagenais Street, I was the youngest. It was me, my older brother, Dominique, my older sister, Jennifer, and my mom. It was just us and I loved it. I loved being raised by a Haitain mother, and how she always made sure we knew that part of our heritage, and felt connected with our roots. The music we would listen to, the FOOD she’d cook for us … everything. I’m so proud to be Haitian-Canadian. It’s an important piece of who I am. And it’s why I’m always telling everybody how amazing of a city Montreal is, and how special of a country Canada is.

              We have more up north than what people think we have. The culture in Montreal, man … there’s so much to it. It’s such a diverse place. I wish I could explain it to you guys better, but I’m telling you, it’s one place that you just have to visit. Just being in the city with everything it has to offer, and being with the people there, it will inspire you. And when it comes to athletes, you know we got some real hoopers that come from Montreal. Guys like Lu Dort, Khem Birch, Joel Anthony, Chris Boucher, my teammate Chris Duarte. Lu is an old friend of Dominique’s, and even came to the draft to support me, that’s how deep it goes.

              Hang on, back up. We gotta talk about Haitian food for real. Man — my mom’s rice and beans with chicken?? It’s UNBEATEN!! No one and I mean NO ONE can make it like her. I know she’s reading this, so I wasn’t about to write an article and not brag about that.

              My mom really did her best for us. She cared about our futures, you know what I mean?? That’s not to say we didn’t have tough times. A lot of nights when we’d go to bed, we’d hear gunshots going off. The streets where we lived were full of drugs and all types of other stuff. That wasn’t easy. I’d say the hardest part is just trying to find your way through all of it, and knowing not everybody will. Seeing some of my friends dead or in jail … it made a big impact on me. And it definitely weighed on me as I was trying to choose the right path.

              The thing that I was most grateful for while growing up is the bond I had with my siblings. I’ve always been close to my sister, we just have a lot of similarities with how we are. And Jennifer was a hooper, too, with a nice shot and some solid handles. But don’t get it confused, she never beat me!! Not once!! Hahahah. (Sorry, Sis.) My brother and I, we shared a small room — and trust me when I say that room was small. We slept on bunk beds and had this tiny closet where we’d put all our clothes. The problem wasn’t sharing the room with my brother, it was how messy he was, haha. Didn’t matter how much we tried to clean the room up. Dominique would have it messy again in seconds.









              Courtesy Bennedict Mathurin
              And even though he could be tough on me, he’d never let anyone else start anything with me. Someone tried to pick a fight with me one time, and before I could even blink, Dominique was right there in the mix. He let everyone know: if they were fighting me, they were fighting him. I just remember standing there, like, Yeah, what — that’s MY big brother.

              I was attached to his hip. It didn’t matter that he was three years older, because to me he was my twin. If we weren’t inside playing PlayStation on our tiny TV, trying to beat each other at James Bond or Call of Duty, then I was on the court hoopin’ with him and his friends. And what’s crazy is, I’d be beating them!! That’s when I think I came to this huge realization, of like, if these older kids can’t even beat me … then no one my age can hang with me. That’s probably when the trash talk started haha. And it’s when I decided to go try out for the team. That was fifth or sixth grade. And we’re doing drills and scrimmaging in tryouts, and it’s like the whole time I’m thinking to myself, This is too easy. From then on, I knew I wanted to play basketball.

              And it was actually right around then when it happened … the morning I’ll never forget.

              I woke up to the worst news imaginable: My brother had got in an accident with a car while he was on his bike, and had passed away. Dominique was only 15.

              I couldn’t understand it. Dominique?? My brother???? My twin?? Someone who I loved was just GONE. Someone who’d always had my back was just GONE. But as hard as it was to accept, I also knew I had to face it. Life couldn’t just be about going to the park and going to school anymore. That couldn’t be my only focus now. With my older brother gone, it was my job to take care of my family. I had to stop being a kid, and become a young man. So that became my mission: I gotta do whatever it takes to make sure my family good.

              In the years after Dominique died, basketball wasn’t just a game to me anymore — because I wasn’t just playing for myself. I remember one day, when I was 15, a coach of mine came up to me and said, “If the train comes … take it.” At the time, I didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. But then two weeks later, the train came.

              My uncle got this call about how they were about to open up this new NBA academy in Mexico, and I was one of the first players that they wanted to have. Full scholarship, room and board, nutrition … everything you could think of, they were offering it.

              I won’t lie: as good as that sounds, there was part of me who wasn’t ready to get on that “train” to Mexico. At first I was just like, Nope, I’m not going. They’ll have to do this academy thing without me. But then as I researched things more, I saw how it wasn’t just a regular academy — it was a foot in the door to possibly make the NBA. So I decided, O.K. I’ll buy my one-way ticket and see where this is going. I’ll take the train.

              My first couple of weeks in Mexico were kind of tough — I was just in my head a little. I was calling back home, like, “I don’t think I’ll be able to do this.” I felt bad about leaving my mom at home alone, and I was thinking about everything I was missing. But the more I started to look around and try to embrace the Academy, I realized how lucky I was. I was getting a good education, I had basketball, and most importantly I was safe. There were opportunities here that could change me as a person and a player. I was even learning Spanish while I was there — and the more we were traveling for games, the more I wanted to learn other languages. It was no distractions … just me and school and basketball. I know that not a lot of kids ever get that in life, especially not where I’m from.

              Commissioner Silver even came to a game of ours in Mexico. When I saw him, I told one of my teammates, “Alright — I’m about to go up to him.” Ha. That’s that confidence I keep telling y’all about. But I really did it, man. I went straight up to the commish and said, “In a couple of years, you’re going to be seeing me at the draft.”

              He nodded and was like, “I’ll be looking for you.”
              When it came time to start thinking about next steps, it wasn’t a hard choice for me to pick college and Arizona. I liked how their program felt like a family, and I wanted to be a part of something like that. My freshman year was the COVID season, though, so it was hard to find a rhythm, with so much other stuff going on, all these things that were bigger than basketball. When that season ended, I knew I needed to run it back and show everyone what I could really do.

              And when I got back to Tucson as a sophomore, I had it on my mind that this was going to be my year. At first the coaches were telling me to just focus on shooting the ball. But while I love to shoot, that still didn’t sit right with me. I didn’t want to be labeled as a “3-and-D” player, someone who can shoot and who can play defense but that’s it. I knew I could do it all and just needed to show it.

              So I worked hard as hell. I was in the gym two or three times a day, just working on my entire game. Dribbling, finishing at the rim, passing, shooting. I wanted to be one of those guys where you’re trying to find their weaknesses, and you’re like, Oh. He doesn’t have any. I know that some people were shocked when the season started and I just skyrocketed — but I wasn’t one of them.

              I’m a winner first, though, and team first. So to declare for the draft before we made our team goals happen at Arizona, that was a difficult pill to swallow. But I’ll always appreciate how happy everyone there was for me, and the way I look at it, I’ll be a Wildcat forever. Whatever I go on to do in the league, I’ll be doing that while repping my school.

              The week of the draft, when I was at this lunch they have for prospects, I saw Commissioner Silver again. So you know I had to go up to him … again. I said hello, and reminded him of our talk in Mexico.

              He looked at me and was like, “I remember that.”

              Yeah. I might have smiled.

              And I just thought to myself, This is it, right here. This is my time.









              John W. McDonough/Sports Illustrated via Getty
              One thing I always want to make sure the world knows is that it was Dominique’s dream to make it to the NBA, too — it was a dream we wanted to achieve together. So while I’m on this journey, I bring him everywhere with me. I refuse to ever let him be forgotten.

              That’s why I have a tattoo of his name on my forearm, with the date he was born and the date he passed. And it’s why in every IG post, I’m always using the hashtag #domixworld, as a way of saying how every time something happens for me in life, that’s my brother’s win as much as mine. And it’s also why on draft night, I wore a custom red suit with my brother embedded all into it. That suit meant everything — because I felt like by wearing it, Dominique could almost get to walk that stage with me.

              O.K., I’ll tell you a funny story from draft night as well. So the first few picks went by … and I was feeling good that I was going to get the call soon. But here’s some advice for you all for when you’re expecting an important phone call: you should at least have your phone on vibrate, so you can answer it!!! Ha. The whole time, because I was doing all these interviews and stuff, I guess I was so excited that I forgot I had my phone on Do Not Disturb. So by the time I finally checked on it, I had six missed calls … from Coach Rick.

              He was trying to call and tell me I was officially a Pacer, and welcome me to the team. And he got hit with my voicemail!! SIX times. (Sorry, Coach.)

              Thankfully, Coach Rick kept trying and got ahold of me, haha. That’s when he made it clear that they want me to be a part of this thing in Indiana. I told myself before the draft I wasn’t going to cry in front of the cameras — but when I heard my name called, I couldn’t even hold it in. The tears started falling. Just thinking about everything it took for me to get here … from Montreal to the NBA. And thinking about my brother, and how proud he would be seeing me accomplish our dreams. If I could have told Dominique one thing in that moment, it would have been: We did it.









              Mike Lawrence/NBAE via Getty
              And now I’m here with the Pacers, about to play for some of the best fans in the NBA. It didn’t take any time for everyone to make me feel welcomed. I already made one rookie mistake, which is I didn’t know how it rains A LOT in Indiana. But I’m a quick learner. I invested in a rain jacket ASAP.

              It’s been fun exploring the city of Indy, though, for real. One of the things that’s been most special has been getting to meet a lot of the fans and hear how excited they are for this season to start. I hit up the Indy state fair for the first time with my teammates, which was cool to be a part of. I also got to help out at the Special Olympics, and that was a great experience, just getting to play some games with the kids and see the smiles on their faces. And I told y’all I love to eat, so you know that’s one of the first things I’ve had to do, is find some of the best local spots.

              I want to thank Pacers fans for really embracing me.

              And then the last thing I want to tell them is: Get ready.

              No, for real: just GET READY!! Because I’m a guy who wants to win badly, and who’s going to figure out a way to win no matter what. So that’s what’s in all of our futures, I’d say: hustling, and competing, and WINNING.

              Those three things, that’s what I’m coming here to do.

              Maybe it’s that confidence talking again, but I’ve never been scared to go up against anybody in my life. So I’m not planning to start acting scared now, just because I’m in the league. I’m coming with the same confidence I’ve always had — the confidence that every time I step on that court, you’re going to learn who I am. Whether you’re watching me or playing against me … if I’m on that court, you’ll know who I am soon.

              Because I’m about to show you.

              Go PACERS

              #DomixWorld

              -Benn

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              • Rogco
                Undefeated
                • Sep 2010
                • 6495

                #8
                Thank you for posting this! I really like Ben and think he will quickly become a favorite. That's a great read. Also, he's right, Montreal is a fantastic city!
                Danger Zone

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                • CJ Jones
                  Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 9259

                  #9
                  1. He should start and play a ton. (I know Agness isn't coach but he seems confident starting Benn's the plan).

                  2. play him at SG but he can easily slide to SF against most teams. As he fills out his frame over the next few years, he'll be able to handle most of the SFs in the league.

                  3. Yes he'll be a plus defender, it just may take a couple years.

                  4. Biggest strength: giant cajones

                  5. Biggest weakness: can't think of one. The potential is through the roof for all phases of the game.

                  6. If he starts, around 15. If he comes off the bench, probably a little less.

                  7. I think there's a decent chance he's ROY (I got a nice chunk of money on this btw). Being 1st team all rookie is likely IMO.

                  8. Cornerstone for sure. Best player on a championship level team? I'm not there yet but I wouldn't count him out.

                  9. Benn has the perfect PG. I do wish the rest of the roster around him was better though.

                  10. Rick will do but we ought to bring back Bjorkgren to be his offensive and defensive coordinator.

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                  • owl
                    Member
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 17659

                    #10
                    Benedict gives me some hope for the future
                    Need to have Reggie get in his ear on how to manage
                    himself long term
                    {o,o}
                    |)__)
                    -"-"-

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