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The Atlantic Power Rankings: Pacers 29th

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  • The Atlantic Power Rankings: Pacers 29th

    Tier 6: “We already know that you’re developing and tanking”

    https://theathletic.com/3447356/2022...022-offseason/
    Zach Harper

    29. Indiana Pacers


    Major additions: Bennedict Mathurin (draft), Daniel Theis (trade), Aaron Nesmith (trade), Andrew Nembhard (draft)

    Major subtractions: Malcolm Brogdon (Boston), Ricky Rubio (Cleveland), T.J. Warren (Brooklyn)

    Did this team get better? No, and I believe the Indiana Pacers are going to look to get even worse. They’re embracing the rebuild, which we started to see when they moved Domantas Sabonis at the trade deadline. Brogdon got moved to Boston for not much in return. Myles Turner and Buddy Hield are expected to be on the move at some point. The Pacers realized mediocrity with the previous crew wasn’t good enough for their fans, so they’re giving themselves a makeover. Love the Mathurin selection, and he’ll be a fun player with Tyrese Haliburton to entice the fans.

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    Hopefully the rebuild won’t be too painful or take too long. Might surprise a few teams this year but we’ll see.


  • #2
    This season is really truly going to force some fans to put their money where their mouth is. Fans have been clamoring to "tear it down" and rebuild. Well the pacers are doing what their fans have asked, now are the fans going to punish them for doing what they ask or are they going to go ahead and support the rebuild?

    Time will tell.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      This season is really truly going to force some fans to put their money where their mouth is. Fans have been clamoring to "tear it down" and rebuild. Well the pacers are doing what their fans have asked, now are the fans going to punish them for doing what they ask or are they going to go ahead and support the rebuild?

      Time will tell.
      I think they are going to need to turn things around very quickly. Next year can be bad, but I think the team needs to be on the upward trend starting the following season. If not, I think it could get very bad for the team.

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      • #4
        I was leaning towards cancelling LP, but now that we'll just focus on development for the young guys, I will continue to put in the money.

        Edit: can you post the entire article? Interested in seeing our competition!
        Last edited by pacersgroningen; 08-04-2022, 07:00 AM.
        Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
          I was leaning towards cancelling LP, but now that we'll just focus on development for the young guys, I will continue to put in the money.

          Edit: can you post the entire article? Interested in seeing our competition!
          You can use 12ft.io website to remove some paywalls (they trick the website so it thinks a google bot is reading it).

          The link to this article without a paywall https://12ft.io/https://theathletic....022-offseason/

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          Tier 6: We already know you’re developing and tanking

          26. Oklahoma City Thunder

          Major additions: Chet Holmgren (draft), Ousmane Dieng (draft), Jalen Williams (draft), Jaylin Williams (draft)
          Major subtractions: Isaiah Roby (San Antonio)
          Did this team get better? The Oklahoma City Thunder are going to be better than they were last season, assuming they don’t shut down a bunch of people for the second half of it … again. Holmgren is the attention-getter of their offseason acquisitions, and no offense to Isaiah Roby, but they didn’t really lose anybody. They’ve outright tried to wage war on media members and broadcasters all over the world by drafting Jalen Williams AND Jaylin Williams. Jalen Williams from Santa Clara might be my favorite pickup they had in the draft. The Thunder are still in asset-gathering mode until Sam Presti feels he has the star power to develop, but this team should be pretty interesting. They need Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to stay healthy, and Luguentz Dort’s new deal will put pressure on him to perform offensively.

          27. Houston Rockets

          Major additions: Jabari Smith Jr. (draft), Tari Eason (draft), TyTy Washington Jr. (draft), Boban Marjanović (trade), Marquese Chriss (trade)
          Major subtractions: Christian Wood (Dallas), John Wall (Clippers), Trevelin Queen (Philadelphia), Dennis Schr?der (free agent)
          Did this team get better? In terms of talent on the team, the Houston Rockets are still probably in the same boat we saw last season. John Wall didn’t play, so his leaving doesn’t impact them in games. Wood is better than the rookie version of Smith, but Wood wasn’t exactly bringing the Rockets winning basketball. Once again, Rafael Stone had a phenomenal draft. The Rockets have so much potential, but it will take a long time to mold that potential into winning basketball. Great rebuild since the James Harden trade. Stephen Silas has a lot to utilize.

          28. Orlando Magic

          Major additions: Paolo Banchero (draft), Caleb Houstan (draft)
          Major subtractions: Robin Lopez (Cleveland)
          Did this team get better? They did, but it will take some time to show it. Banchero has all the makings of a franchise guy. We saw some really encouraging moments with the young players on this team last season. But they still need to figure out how to win basketball games, and that takes a lot of time for a young group to figure out. I like them re-signing Gary Harris and Mo Bamba, but they need some more veteran presences on this squad for wins, especially if they end up moving Terrence Ross this season. A big season for Jalen Suggs will help galvanize this group.

          29. Indiana Pacers

          Major additions: Bennedict Mathurin (draft), Daniel Theis (trade), Aaron Nesmith (trade), Andrew Nembhard (draft)
          Major subtractions: Malcolm Brogdon (Boston), Ricky Rubio (Cleveland), T.J. Warren (Brooklyn)
          Did this team get better? No, and I believe the Indiana Pacers are going to look to get even worse. They’re embracing the rebuild, which we started to see when they moved Domantas Sabonis at the trade deadline. Brogdon got moved to Boston for not much in return. Myles Turner and Buddy Hield are expected to be on the move at some point. The Pacers realized mediocrity with the previous crew wasn’t good enough for their fans, so they’re giving themselves a makeover. Love the Mathurin selection, and he’ll be a fun player with Tyrese Haliburton to entice the fans.


          30. San Antonio Spurs

          Major additions: Jeremy Sochan (draft), Malaki Branham (draft), Blake Wesley (draft), Gorgui Dieng (free agent)
          Major subtractions: Dejounte Murray (Atlanta), Danilo Gallinari (Boston), Lonnie Walker IV (Lakers)
          Did this team get better? Absolutely not, and that’s the design. Ever since Kawhi Leonard was traded, the San Antonio Spurs have been struggling to find that next franchise guy. After a fairly brief dance with DeMar DeRozan, the Spurs have now sent Murray to Atlanta and gone full youth movement to embrace the tank. They added three intriguing rookies to the mix. This rebuild project will likely target Victor Wembanyama — the Tim Burton character from France. Develop the young guys this year and hope you’re graced with lottery luck as we saw in 1997.

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          • #6
            As long as we end up in the bottom 3 our odds of landing Wemby are almost the same and that's what it would take for a quick turnaround IMO. It's Indy so fan support will suffer and I agree with Eleazar, if this turns into a slow motion turnaround it will get ugly.
            Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

            Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by siomi View Post
              29. Indiana Pacers


              30. San Antonio Spurs
              So, Pop ain't exactly a god without players. Who'dathunk it ??

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                This season is really truly going to force some fans to put their money where their mouth is. Fans have been clamoring to "tear it down" and rebuild. Well the pacers are doing what their fans have asked, now are the fans going to punish them for doing what they ask or are they going to go ahead and support the rebuild?

                Time will tell.
                I don't think attendance will be any worse than last year. And it's not like attendance historically is very good. If nothing else, a rebuild is more exciting than a bunch of mediocre players.
                Danger Zone

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                • #9
                  It’s really sad when you think how much this franchise has sank into total irrelevancy over the last 8 years. Hopefully this rebuild works.

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                  • #10
                    give me a top 2 pick next year and ill be stoked. going to be watching every game this year! most of the times i do but before the sabonis trade we were super boring. cant wait till they come to portland! going to try and get right behind the visitor bench again

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                    • #11
                      Good. I’d much rather be 29th than 15th (which we’ve been for the last 10 years or so). Draft another great player, we have 2 more picks next year (from Boston and Cleveland), and build around Haliburton and Mathurin
                      "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rogco View Post

                        I don't think attendance will be any worse than last year. And it's not like attendance historically is very good. If nothing else, a rebuild is more exciting than a bunch of mediocre players.
                        Attendance last year was among the worst ever.

                        And far too often people who say a rebuild is exciting are the same ones who say they can't stand to watch a team play so badly. They seem to want to watch exciting young guys play like stars and yet still somehow lose 60 games.
                        BillS

                        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BillS View Post

                          Attendance last year was among the worst ever.

                          And far too often people who say a rebuild is exciting are the same ones who say they can't stand to watch a team play so badly. They seem to want to watch exciting young guys play like stars and yet still somehow lose 60 games.
                          Yeah, because the team was uninteresting and ****. If you want fans, give them something to be a fan of. If the team isn't going to be a top 8 team, then it damn well better be interesting. The lack of attendance is due to an extended time of mediocre play, boring product, and poorly comprised rosters with no significant moves. When the only Pacers related topics to talk about on local sports radio for 5 years in a row is injuries and whether Myles and Sabonis can play together, you're going to lose fans and attendance, because it's boring.

                          Doesn't help that the games aren't on any of the streaming services anymore.
                          Danger Zone

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BillS View Post

                            Attendance last year was among the worst ever.

                            And far too often people who say a rebuild is exciting are the same ones who say they can't stand to watch a team play so badly. They seem to want to watch exciting young guys play like stars and yet still somehow lose 60 games.
                            I'd rather watch a young team with potential that makes you dream than a team that's been fighting for the last playoff spots year after year and is out in the first round anyway. However, I'm never in the stadium either, I just watch a stream because I'm from Germany. But if I, as a German, watch the rebuild of the Indiana Pacers, can I expect that from the Indiana fans, can't I?

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                            • #15
                              We're not last. Which is good...imagine being 30th out of 30 teams. That's just pathetic. I feel sorry for them.

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