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  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

    Didn't think it warranted a new thread, but the newly christened #1 Tennessee is about to get knocked off by Vanderbilt.

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    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

      Originally posted by tdubb03 View Post
      Didn't think it warranted a new thread, but the newly christened #1 Tennessee is about to get knocked off by Vanderbilt.
      Yeah,

      UT took some awful shots and couldn't finish at the rim.

      Always nice to shoot 30% from the field too...

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      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
        Dove - good kid, pretty solid, but seems redundant with this roster. And while he's the man with his team, he's struggled to stay out of foul trouble in some pretty big games. Someone will get him in round 2 and he just might surprise people a bit ala Carl Landry, but I think the Pacers can do better with a high 2nd round pick.
        I wouldn't be surprised if the Pistons draft him in the 2nd round. They always seem to draft top-notch defensive players every season.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

          Originally posted by Peskoe97 View Post
          Dove would be there for shut down perimeter defense not because we need another sf. This kid has the physical tools to be an elite defender at the next level- he has been one of the best defenders, if not THE best defender in the country for the past 2-3 years. If we get three solid defenders in this draft we'll be in great position. Pair Ike or Murphy next to Thabeet and suddendly their defense doesn't look so bad. Thabeet takes up so much space that we could play a 4 out 1 in style that JOB likes to run. Collison would complement what Diener brings and we could use Dove to guard the McGradys, James, and Wades of the league.
          I would be giddy but utterly stunned if we did the right thing and actually drafted some defensive minded players.
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

            I think Gordon's stock is slipping and we are moving up in the draft. We might actually have a realistic shot at getting him.

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            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

              Okay.....even with players like Thabeet or Love ( in Seth's case ) is still on the board the draft....if Eric Gordon is available at the 9th or 10th pick in the draft....do you think that the Pacers should draft him?
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                if ej's available at 9 or 10, i'd probably draft him, unless mayo were there too...i might even consider anthony randolph over ej...

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                • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                  I'd take EJ over Love w/o a hesitation. I'm not sure on Thabeet.
                  It'd depend on what becomes of J.O. and who comes back in
                  a trade if he's moved.

                  EJ's shortcomings (lack of a pull-up, mid-range game, erratic
                  ball-handling and poor decision making at times) can be fixed
                  with hard work, better coaching and experience.

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                  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    Okay.....even with players like Thabeet or Love ( in Seth's case ) is still on the board the draft....if Eric Gordon is available at the 9th or 10th pick in the draft....do you think that the Pacers should draft him?

                    I think we have to take EG if he's still there strictly from a pr standpoint. I think he also addresses some of our needs as well. He certainly has the ability to be a better defender at the 2 than Jr. I think we'd have to have a big point guard to go with him eventually. (think players like Andre Miller or Shaun Livingston) I love EG (I'm a student at IU now) but I can't honestly say that if Mayo were on the board I wouldn't take a long look at taking him over EG. Mayo's issues concern me but his ability to create off the dribble is his main strength. I don't really think we've seen a fraction of what Mayo can potentially be.

                    If EJ or Mayo slip to us we have to take one of them but if not I would take a gamble on Thabeet IMO.

                    I like Augustin overall but Augustin, Diener, and Tinsley? Worst Defensive point guard trio in the league bar none.

                    I wouldn't take Love for this team under any circumstances. Look- he's a solid, smart player but his defense is soft and he is somewhat undersized and overweight. If I were Philadelpia at 15 I would take him in a heart beat but not for this team no way no how. If he can keep his weight under control he'll be a pretty good player.
                    Last edited by Mr. Sobchak; 02-27-2008, 02:44 PM.

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                    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                      If gordon is the god everyone makes him out to be, why would he go 9th or 10th Pick?

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                      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                        EJ will not be on the board past 7-8 at the very least.
                        Originally posted by Peskoe97 View Post
                        Dove would be there for shut down perimeter defense not because we need another sf. This kid has the physical tools to be an elite defender at the next level- he has been one of the best defenders, if not THE best defender in the country for the past 2-3 years. If we get three solid defenders in this draft we'll be in great position. Pair Ike or Murphy next to Thabeet and suddendly their defense doesn't look so bad. Thabeet takes up so much space that we could play a 4 out 1 in style that JOB likes to run. Collison would complement what Diener brings and we could use Dove to guard the McGradys, James, and Wades of the league.
                        The only thing for me is that if you get Thabeet in round 1 (for defense) then I like Weaver as your guard defender in round 2, which is about where he falls. He's not going to blow people away on offense, but he won't give you the Orien Greene ball carry either (it appears).

                        You still get the inside/outside look there.


                        Cable, I'm not trying to jock Love like he's my guy, but I guess I kinda am. To put it to rest unless something NEW shows up, here are 3 guys I'm really sold on, besides the top 4-5 guys:

                        Love (around 8-12)
                        Augustin (similar, because Bayless is long gone)
                        Brandon Rush (around 25-35...that's 35 if you get lucky)

                        So on those 3 I'll just consider it implied from now on that I like their games. There's too many other guys to discuss to kick that horse more.


                        Everyone got up on Smith after the Memphis win, but both he and Oglivy were kinda non-factors in the Vandy win last night. I think Smith is fine, but somewhat in that average good college player way, one of those that perhaps fades away. I mentioned that type a few pages ago.

                        I'm not saying he won't be great, I just don't see it myself. Since Dove was just mentioned I'd rather have him at this point because of that defensive awareness.


                        Price, another pet pick for me, has really been slumping. But his sidekick Austrie keeps making an impression. He reminds me of a college version of Monta Ellis, but the problem is he doesn't have the FG% to make it. I assume he's staying for his senior year and could be a kid to watch.


                        DJ White - gotta say that his gutty post-injury play is raising his stock. Poor man's Dale Davis perhaps? The problem for him is size. He plays like an upright PF much like Dale did, but without the same height and power (it looks like to me at least). He's not a 10 pick, but he's not making to the Pacers 2nd round at this point.

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                        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                          Originally posted by Gyron View Post
                          If gordon is the god everyone makes him out to be, why would he go 9th or 10th Pick?

                          First of all no one in this thread is calling him a god. He is a good player though that has the potential to be great if he can overcome his height and work on his game. Secondly we will have the 6th to 8th pick barring that Jamaal and Jermaine don't come back. As far as him slipping to the 6-8 range I think teams might be scared off by his lack of size. Hell, Granger should have been a top 10 pick easily but he slipped because people questioned his durability- these things happen.


                          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                          EJ will not be on the board past 7-8 at the very least.

                          The only thing for me is that if you get Thabeet in round 1 (for defense) then I like Weaver as your guard defender in round 2, which is about where he falls. He's not going to blow people away on offense, but he won't give you the Orien Greene ball carry either (it appears).

                          You still get the inside/outside look there.

                          No way Weaver lasts until our pick.

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                          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                            Peskoe97,

                            You apparently haven't been reading any of the threads about IU. You'd think he was Lebron and Micheal Jordan combined based upon the way everyone gushes about him in the other threads.

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                            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                              Originally posted by Gyron View Post
                              Peskoe97,

                              You apparently haven't been reading any of the threads about IU. You'd think he was Lebron and Micheal Jordan combined based upon the way everyone gushes about him in the other threads.
                              That is a grossly misunderstood idea. The comments come from those of us who watch him game in and game out. If Ben Gordon can come of the bench for big numbers, EJ would be a bigger, stronger version of him capable of starting. He is a pure scorer and good defender, his key in the NBA is going to be how well he moves without the ball and shot selection. If he gets good mentoring in those areas then I truly expect him to be a great NBA player. No not Lebron nor Jordan, but a Chauncey Billups/Gilbert Arenas combined style player.
                              Last edited by jmoney2584; 02-27-2008, 08:51 PM.
                              Roy Hibbert.... It's the POWER!!!

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                              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                                Just read the SI article on Lopez and his brother. I have yet to see him play but he seems well grounded. If we get the 6 pick and say:
                                BEasley
                                Rose
                                Jordan
                                Bayless
                                Gordon

                                are gone. Would you go for him?

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