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  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

    Originally posted by esabyrn333 View Post
    Of the 3 I would take Jordan.
    I might take Jordan over the other 2, but not by a large margin, and definitely NOT at 11!
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    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

      Originally posted by eldubious View Post
      Scratch CDR off the list. He cancelled his workout with the Pacers. At best, he was a late 1st possibility.
      Actually...

      Originally posted by pacers.com
      Memphis All-America guard Chris Douglas-Roberts canceled his workout with plans to re-schedule.
      http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/draft_central_2008.html
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      -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

        Originally posted by Peskoe97 View Post
        Today Hibbert, Jordan, and McGee all work out for us. I really hope we don't take Jordan...
        I studied footage and read reviews on all three. At best, I'd say Jordan would at least be a defensive stopper next to O'Neal. But, he would definitely be one of two 1st round picks if the Pacers went that way. When is Arthur coming in?

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        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

          Originally posted by eldubious View Post
          I studied footage and read reviews on all three. At best, I'd say Jordan would at least be a defensive stopper next to O'Neal. But, he would definitely be one of two 1st round picks if the Pacers went that way. When is Arthur coming in?
          I'm so not feeling the Jordan pick if we went that way.
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          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

            Originally posted by esabyrn333 View Post
            Of the 3 I would take Jordan.
            I agree, however I don't like what I'm reading and hearing about any of them. At best serviceable, at worst busts.

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            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

              Totally agree with you there, Will.
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              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/prospects

                These are really good highlight videos from most of the lottery prospects.

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                • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                  Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                  But Arthur also has the offensive post footwork to go with that. He gets what the spacing goal of a solid PnR is, he wouldn't just plod into trouble because it was where he was supposed to go, he'd read it and space accordingly. He knows why he's using a move to get post position or why he needs to go someplace different out of a PnR.

                  The thing that worries me about Arthur is measurements, which are smaller than Ike Diogu's (aside from being 1/2" taller in shoes..smaller wingspan and smaller standing reach). Ike looked like a beast in the paint (still does) with his great footwork and quick positioning, but it's almost completely negated by his lack of size.


                  I haven't seen much of Arthur, but by your descriptions he seems to be a smarter player. I'm just afraid it won't make a difference in the NBA because of his size.

                  Otherwise, I like Arthur. He reminds me of a younger, smaller Jermaine O'Neal.
                  Last edited by imawhat; 06-14-2008, 12:44 PM.

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                  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                    http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/prof...ewilliams.html


                    Does anyone know much about Williams? I like the description of him. Shoots for great percentage and is a lefty and unorthodox.
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                    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/b...,3392168.story

                      No. 2 pick frustrating for Heat, but it has its rewards
                      By Ira Winderman |South Florida Sun-Sentinel
                      11:47 PM EDT, June 11, 2008

                      One hour.

                      That's the advance notice Bernie Bickerstaff had of the top overall selection while holding the No. 2 pick in the 2004 NBA Draft as general manager of the Charlotte Bobcats.

                      One hour.

                      "The guy we were dealing with, he was straight up and honest," Bickerstaff, now retired, said of then-Orlando General Manager John Weisbrod. "They changed their mind up until about an hour before the draft."

                      The Magic took Atlanta high school center Dwight Howard; the Bobcats were left with UConn center Emeka Okafor.

                      That draft, like the one coming up June 26, was considered a two-player draft, with this year's viewed as an either/or decision at the top for Chicago between Memphis point guard Derrick Rose and Kansas State power forward Michael Beasley.

                      This time the Heat is at No. 2, with many previously in that spot considering it the NBA's loneliest number.

                      "It is not the most comfortable position to be in," said Bucks General Manager John Hammond, who was a Pistons executive when Detroit held the No. 2 pick in 2003. "You like to be in control. All of us would like to be in control, especially people in this business, because a lot of times significant people are in control.

                      "In this case, you're not. You have to sit. You have to wait and see what happens."

                      NBA Vice President Stu Jackson was in that position for three consecutive years, from 1998 to 2000, as Grizzlies general manager.

                      "It's an uncomfortable feeling," he said. "I can remember on at least two of those occasions you really wanted to get up to one. That's the frustration."

                      Bickerstaff said No. 2 always calls No. 1.

                      "Your responsibility is to make that inquiry, to just try to ascertain what it would take to make that move," he said, having also held the No. 2 pick in 1995 while a Nuggets executive.

                      For as much as No. 2 has been in play over the past 13 drafts — traded seven of those years — it never was swapped for No. 1 over that stretch.

                      "If you're No. 1 and you're sitting there, you're trying to extract everything that you can," Bickerstaff said.

                      While Chicago General Manager John Paxson has been adamant that he hasn't decided on his pick, Bickerstaff said it is imperative No. 2 at least attempt a reconnaissance mission.

                      "What you try to do is you try to touch base with every resource you have out there, to try to ascertain who that first pick would be," he said. "There's always that guy, that friend, that you lean on. That's why I think those relationships are so good."

                      Hammond said even if Chicago should settle on a player the Heat covets, such as Rose, it could make the Heat feel like No. 1 for a day or two.

                      "I think we knew from the very beginning that LeBron [James] was going to be the No. 1 pick in our draft," Hammond said. "We didn't even investigate the potential of trying to get to one. A lot of people tried to get to two."

                      Jackson said No. 2 should not be viewed as a pitiable position.

                      "I think everybody has a certain control in that top half of the lottery, because there are always players up there that teams covet," he said. "If you've got two or three really good players at the top of the draft, the choices become more tempting."

                      The Heat appears to be selling that notion, with rather public overtures to Southern Cal guard O.J. Mayo and little attempt to hide meetings with Stanford center Brook Lopez and UCLA forward Kevin Love.

                      Bickerstaff said that approach is wise, allowing others to get the scent that a top pick could be had, that those who can't make it work at No. 1 just might find a suitor at No. 2.

                      "You've got to leave all the doors open," Bickerstaff said.

                      Most of all, Bickerstaff said you remain patient, even if it means having to wait until the 11th hour.

                      "You're going to do a lot of listening," he said, "because the offers get better the closer you get to the draft."

                      Ira Winderman can be reached at iwinderman@sun-sentinel.com

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                      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                        Pfff... they can have our pick if they want it, so they don't have such a difficult choice ahead of them... we'll gladly take their "frustration" for free . Hell, we can S&T them David .
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                        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                          Originally posted by Mourning View Post
                          Pfff... they can have our pick if they want it, so they don't have such a difficult choice ahead of them... we'll gladly take their "frustration" for free . Hell, we can S&T them David .
                          my sentiments exactly.

                          if #2 is such an ordeal, then #3 must be twice so, and so on.

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                          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                            http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...537-EST--2929/

                            Early-Entry Withdrawal Deadline: Who's In or Out? (5:37 EST)

                            by: DraftExpress
                            June 16, 2008
                            -According to Danilo Gallinari's official website:

                            "After some workouts and having carefully evalued any opportunity for his career, Danilo Gallinari decided to attend the 2008 NBA Draft. In this very moment Danilo and his father are in Los Angeles, waiting to be joined by the rest of the family."

                            Gallinari will work out for the Minnesota Timberwolves later this week, according to sources close to the situation.

                            -Rodrigue Beaubois- French point guard Rodrigue Beaubois will pull his name out of the draft, according to his agent Bill McCandless. Beaubois did not receive a promise in the first round, and thus preferred not to risk anything considering his excellent situation in Cholet next year. He canceled his workouts with Seattle and Cleveland. Fellow French early-entry prospect Luc Louves has withdrawn as well according to McCandless.

                            -Jonas Jerebko- Has withdrawn his name from the draft, according to his agent Doug Neustadt.

                            -C.J. Giles will keep his name in the draft, agent Bill Kent told DraftExpress.

                            - Chris Douglas-Roberts of Memphis will reportedly keep his name in the draft and hire agent Leon Rose.

                            -Ty Lawson will be returning to North Carolina, according to a source close to the situation.

                            -Ante Tomic is staying in the draft, according to his agent Marc Cornstein.

                            -Jeremy Pargo has withdrawn his name from the draft, according to a source close to the situation.

                            -Alexis Ajinca and Nicolas Batum will keep their name in the draft, according to agent Jeremy Medjana.

                            -Richard Hendrix will be keeping his name in the draft and signing with an agent, according to sources.

                            -Serge Ibaka will be keeping his name in the draft according to agent Andy Miller.

                            -The last three big unknowns are Ryan Anderson, Chase Budinger, and Lester Hudson. Budinger is currently working out for the Sacramento Kings.

                            -Robert Vaden has decided to return to school, according to an NBA scout.

                            -According to Jeff Goodman of Fox Sports, Bill Walker is in, while Ron Steele, Robert Dozier and AJ Abrams are out.

                            -Ryan Anderson is staying in the draft, according to a source close to the situation.

                            -Giorgi Shermadini has pulled his name out of the draft, according to his agent Todd Ramasar.

                            -Lester Hudson will be returning to school, according to his friend Ruben Webber. Webber said that teams told Hudson he would be drafted anywhere from 35-50, but that he preferred not to roll the dice and instead opted to return and get his degree. In Hudson's mind, the worst-case scenario is he goes in the same range next year, and there is always the upside of being able to crack the first round of a weaker draft with his degree in hand. Tennessee-Martin will be playing stronger competition next season than they did this year, including games against Southern Cal and Tennessee.

                            -Chase Budinger has withdrawn his name from the draft, according to an NBA executive with knowledge of the situation. Budinger conducted the process strangely from what we could gather, opting to work out for numerous teams who were well ahead of his draft range, such as the Knicks (#6), Clippers (#7) and Kings (#15)—and thus likely did not have the type of information he needed to make an informed decision. He will be returning to a situation in Arizona where he will have no chance but step up and have a great year, which puts a lot of pressure on him, but also will tell us a great deal about the kind of player he is. He will likely start off the year as a projected lottery pick and preseason All-American.

                            -Luke Winn of SI.com is reporting that UCLA’s Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is surprisingly keeping his name in the draft, despite the fact that he may not hear his name called in either rounds of the draft on June 26th.

                            Official Early-Entry List:

                            NCAA Staying In:

                            Joe Alexander, West Virginia (signed with Doug Neustadt)
                            Ryan Anderson, California
                            Darrell Arthur, Kansas
                            D.J. Augustin, Texas
                            Jerryd Bayless, Arizona
                            Michael Beasley, Kansas State
                            Mario Chalmers, Kansas
                            Chris Douglas-Roberts, Memphis
                            C.J. Giles, Oregon State
                            Donte Greene, Syracuse
                            Kalen Grimes, Missouri
                            Eric Gordon, Indiana
                            DeAndre Jordan, Texas A&M
                            Kosta Koufos, Ohio State
                            Jamont Gordon, Mississippi State (signing with Charles Grantham?)
                            Shawn James, Duquesne
                            Davon Jefferson, Southern California
                            Brook Lopez, Stanford
                            Robin Lopez, Stanford
                            Kevin Love, UCLA
                            O.J. Mayo, Southern California
                            Richard Hendrix, Alabama
                            J.J. Hickson, North Carolina State
                            George Hill, IUPUI
                            Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, UCLA
                            JaVale McGee, Nevada
                            Kojo Mensah, Duquesne
                            Trent Plaisted, Brigham Young
                            Anthony Randolph, LSU
                            Walter Sharpe, Alabama-Birmingham (signed with agent Danny Servick)
                            Derrick Rose, Memphis
                            Brandon Rush, Kansas
                            Marreese Speights, Florida
                            Bill Walker, Kansas State
                            Russell Westbrook, UCLA

                            International Players In:

                            Alexis Ajinca, Hyeres-Toulon (France)
                            Nicolas Batum, Le Mans (France)
                            Danilo Gallinari, Armani Jeans Milano (Italy)
                            Serge Ibaka, L'Hospitalet (Spain)
                            Ante Tomic, Zagreb (Croatia)

                            NCAA Pulled Out:

                            A.J. Abrams, Texas
                            Antonio Anderson, Memphis
                            Chase Budinger, Arizona
                            Lee Cummard, Brigham Young
                            DeMarre Carroll, Missouri
                            Josh Carter, Texas A&M
                            Robert Dozier, Memphis
                            Wayne Ellington, North Carolina
                            Alonzo Gee, Alabama
                            Danny Green, North Carolina
                            Lester Hudson, Tennessee-Martin
                            Stefon Jackson, Texas-El Paso
                            Ty Lawson, North Carolina
                            Leo Lyons, Missouri
                            Jerel McNeal, Marquette
                            Jeremy Pargo, Gonzaga
                            Josh Shipp, UCLA
                            Ron Steele, Alabama
                            John Riek, Winchendon School (MA)
                            Robert Vaden, Alabama-Birmingham

                            International Players Out:

                            Rodrigue Beaubois, Cholet (France)
                            Joe Ingles, Melbourne South Dragons (Australia)
                            Jonas Jerebko, Biella (Italy)
                            Luc Louves, Orleans (France)
                            Rudy Mbemba, Solna (Sweden)
                            Henk Norel, Alicante (Spain)
                            Giorgi Shermadini, Maccabi Tbilisi (Georgia)

                            NCAA On the Fence/Unknown:

                            Josh Akognon, Cal State Fullerton
                            Jason Bennett, Tallahassee CC (FL)
                            Keith Brumbaugh, Hillsborough CC (FL)
                            Derrick Caracter, Louisville
                            Bruce Price, Tennessee State

                            Unknown players

                            Derek Bailey, Providence Christian Academy (SC)
                            Charles Carter, Oklahoma Baptist
                            Paul Graham III, Florida Atlantic
                            Reggie Huffman, Alabama-Birmingham
                            Courtney Pigram, East Tennessee State
                            Kiwan Smith, Redlands CC (OK)
                            Gordon Watt, Houston Baptist
                            Raymond Wright, Arkansas-Monticello


                            International Players Unknown:

                            Mikheil Berishvili, BC Vita (Georgia)
                            Omri Casspi, Maccabi Elite Tel Aviv (Israel)
                            Victor Claver, Pamesa Valencia (Spain)
                            Nando de Colo, Cholet (France)
                            Sergey Ilin, Budivelnik (Ukraine)
                            Mladen Jeremic, FMP Zeleznik (Serbia)
                            Maxym Korniyenko, Dnipro (Ukraine)
                            Maxim Sheleketo, VEF Riga (Latvia)
                            Maksym Vilkhovetskyi, Dnipro (Ukraine)
                            Ronalds Zakis, VEF Riga (Latvia)
                            Last edited by blanket; 06-16-2008, 05:52 PM.
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                            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                              Well at least Larry can't draft Buddinger this year...

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                              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                                I thought I read in draftexpress a few minutes ago that Omri Casspi pulled out too.

                                It will be interesting to see how these pullouts will affect the newest draft forecast coming out soon.

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