Announcement

Collapse

The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
See more
See less

2022 NBA DRAFT TRADES AND RUMORS

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • I don’t think Ayton is undervalued… but I do think he hasn’t shown he’s anything special.

    Lots of good skill, but doesn’t always put it together to be a complete player. He’s also missing things to his game which limit how good he can be.

    Additionally, I don’t think PHX utilized his mid game enough.
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Biggest problem with Ayton to me is that he doesn’t always play with energy, and I don’t see much drive or passion in him, maybe because he felt overshadowed by the rest of his team, idk, but if he gets a Max he will be on the lower end of a Max Contract.

    I’d rather have Kevin Looney at his current contract than Ayton at a Max, easy call for me if we had the option.

    Centers in this league are getting constantly paid less and less, Andre Drummond couldn’t even stay on a team even though he was averaging a double double in BKN, Deandre Jordan had his run and was done, Jarrett Allen got traded away and started playing better.

    Great one dimensional centers aren’t really need position in today’s game for the majority of teams.
    Why so SERIOUS

    Comment


    • Ayton is naturally gifted but he is not a competitor and has no drive, doesn’t care about winning. Dude just wants to play video games and do the bare minimum to get paid.

      I can’t stand Turner but I’d rather keep Turner than pay Ayton anything close to a max deal.

      It really doesn’t matter, either way we are either starting a center that loves Lego’s or starting a certain that loves video games.
      *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

      Comment


      • ^^ THIS.

        AND - you just don't build an NBA contender around a center anymore. You just don't. Lots of teams pretty much play without one anymore.

        Comment


        • Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
          Ayton is naturally gifted but he is not a competitor and has no drive, doesn’t care about winning. Dude just wants to play video games and do the bare minimum to get paid.

          I can’t stand Turner but I’d rather keep Turner than pay Ayton anything close to a max deal.

          It really doesn’t matter, either way we are either starting a center that loves Lego’s or starting a certain that loves video games.
          with how our roster is constructed this is perfect time that we can spend this money on a center. 10more million gets you a center light years ahead of myles. and we all know myles gonna be like im a max dpoy player next year lol

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
            Ayton is naturally gifted but he is not a competitor and has no drive, doesn’t care about winning. Dude just wants to play video games and do the bare minimum to get paid.

            I can’t stand Turner but I’d rather keep Turner than pay Ayton anything close to a max deal.

            It really doesn’t matter, either way we are either starting a center that loves Lego’s or starting a certain that loves video games.

            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

            Comment


            • Its so freaking weird people are acting like he is some kind of monster because he supposedly likes video games? Just the weirdest of takes. 90% of these dudes are getting less than 2 hours of sleep a night doing things a hell of a lot more nefarious than tea bagging nerds in COD.

              Comment


              • Originally posted by Wage View Post
                Its so freaking weird people are acting like he is some kind of monster because he supposedly likes video games? Just the weirdest of takes. 90% of these dudes are getting less than 2 hours of sleep a night doing things a hell of a lot more nefarious than tea bagging nerds in COD.
                trying to function on 2 hours of sleep is a disaster waiting to happen

                Comment


                • Originally posted by dal9 View Post

                  trying to function on 2 hours of sleep is a disaster waiting to happen
                  Literally none of these players get any sleep. And most of them are doing things a hell of a lot more destructive to their bodies than getting blasted by red shells in some Mario Kart. Again it is just super weird. Of all the extra curricular activities to worry about, this ain't the one.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by Wage View Post

                    Literally none of these players get any sleep. And most of them are doing things a hell of a lot more destructive to their bodies than getting blasted by red shells in some Mario Kart. Again it is just super weird. Of all the extra curricular activities to worry about, this ain't the one.
                    they stay up late but also sleep late...2 hours of sleep is a massive outlier...

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by Wage View Post

                      Literally none of these players get any sleep. And most of them are doing things a hell of a lot more destructive to their bodies than getting blasted by red shells in some Mario Kart. Again it is just super weird. Of all the extra curricular activities to worry about, this ain't the one.
                      I agree with your overall point that it's not really a big deal, but I think a lot of players live much more boring lives than you may think. Family men, no nonsense hardworker types, and just general introverts are probably well represented in the league. Frankly I think Ayton will morph more clearly into one of those first two as he matures (the article that started all this hubbub mentioned that he's got a one year old and that his wife accompanies him on roadtrips, watching Netflix while he games and the kid rolls around on the floor)

                      The flipside of this for me is, if he really is living like this all the time, yet puts up 16 points in the first half of a Finals game and has another 20-20 game in that same finals, he's a can't miss talent with amazing potential. This is a 23 year old kid who we objectively KNOW can be a key contributor on an NBA Finalist, and honestly it's very rare for us to have one of those within our grasp.

                      It may not be great for him physically (if this lifestyle persists for years on end), but at the same time there are plenty of quotes out there that demonstrate that he does indeed take basketball very seriously and is a true competitor. I don't think his gaming must necessarily get in the way of his development and success as a basketball player.
                      Last edited by SaintLouisan; 07-08-2022, 12:52 AM.

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by dal9 View Post

                        they stay up late but also sleep late...2 hours of sleep is a massive outlier...
                        It's not. I don't want to be "that guy", but I've watched it for years up close and personal. Even amongst some of the more respected athletes these dudes are superhuman and can go hard for days sometimes. Hell when I was 23 I could go 3 days without sleep without a care in the world. Even as an old guy I can't remember the last time I got more than 4 or 5 hours in a night. People don't want Ayton and I think there are a million arguments you can make to support that position, but being into video games isn't one of them.

                        Comment


                        • This ESPN article states six hours of sleep is about average; I'm on phone so forgive lack of a link but Google the text if you want to read it, it's interesting enough. Apparently there's been a lot of research on this within the league:

                          So how much sleep do NBA players get per night during the season? Ballparking a figure is tricky, but Czeisler, who has worked with three NBA teams, says five hours per night is not an uncommon answer from players; he's had "very famous" players tell him that they sleep only three to four hours a night. Multiple factors contribute to this sleep deficit, not least the siren song of the NBA nightlife (though the "Tinderization" of the NBA has arguably minimized that effect). That said, one former and four current NBA athletic training staff members all separately say that six hours of sleep per 24-hour cycle is common among players, an estimate that combines the nightly sleep and the pregame nap that is typical for many NBA players.
                          (there's another article linked there that says the partying has gone through the floor in the last couple decades for a number of reasons, including, yes, Instathots on deck, thus obviating the need to go trawling through da clubs til the wee hours of the morning. The title of the article is something of a misnomer as apparently Tinder is below their paygrade)

                          So in sum, Ayton would certainly seem to be an outlier, IF we take literally his statement from that article, of course.
                          Last edited by SaintLouisan; 07-08-2022, 02:07 AM.

                          Comment


                          • The article also notes the nap is included in that total sleep time. I can't believe these dudes sleep so little. LeBron is going to be able to play against these dudes until he's 52 with the way he takes care of himself.

                            Comment


                            • Cavaliers signing Ricky Rubio with mid-level exception, not via sign-and-trade with Pacers (@cwmwrites) https://t.co/nA2BYuxRWR https://t.co/W0kS2k8pRp

                              https://twitter.com/FearTheSword/sta...rRe5M0SeA&s=19

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by sav View Post
                                Ayton at the max is not a good move, however, Ayton at $25 million or less (preferably less) with incentives to get him to the max may be okay. The incentives would have to include team incentives so he will be focused on winning and not just out for himself.

                                Incentives to make the all-star team, all defensive team plus incentives based on how far we make it in the playoffs. Remember, the 2 best Centers in the league today have never won a title. Paying the max to a Center in today’s NBA seems unwise to me.
                                as former (who is leading in every poll atm) US president use to say....what do you have to lose?

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X