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Tbird Analysis: 2022 NBA draft profile #1: Keegan Murray

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  • #16
    I love how Tbird profiles pop up without warning, or they don’t. It’s like if Christmas only happened certain years and on an unknown date. Great read as always.

    Liked reading about the D, the perimeter turnstile is the hardest thing to watch about the current pacers.
    "I’m your favorite player’s favorite player. And it’s not enough for me for him to know that. I want the world to know that." -- Michael Beasley

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    • #17
      I’m good w Murray. The age is disappointing but that is what happens when you don’t commit to tanking fully, for no reason you miss out on a franchise player like Ivey. It’s the guys that don’t defend that I don’t want. There’s a reason Oladipo gets the most meaningful minutes vs Boston even though he can’t score. Defense matters! No Mathurin! Trade Duarte! Can you do an analysis explaining why Moses Moody at age 19 makes more sense than 25 year old Duarte?

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      • #18
        I was thinking Granger/Harris but I think he has a bit of Scottie Barnes, Murray is long and strong, he is going to be able to play PF easy.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #19
          I think Nicolas Batum with way less facilitating is pretty much his ceiling. Pretty good and a long successful career, but not who I want to spend our best pick in over 3 decades on.

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          • #20
            Should we knock guys like him for not testing or measuring at the combine? I mean, he plays big but still it'd be nice to have as much information as possible. You have to assume his agent/advisors thought it would only hurt his draft stock. AJ Griffin's another guy that didn't test or measure.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Wage View Post
              I think Nicolas Batum with way less facilitating is pretty much his ceiling. Pretty good and a long successful career, but not who I want to spend our best pick in over 3 decades on.
              now is this mopey Nic Batum or motivated Nic Batum

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              • #22
                Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                I guess part of it is how we view this build. Like do we really anticipate being any good next season when the Top of the draft has so much more potential?

                Would picking a piece that fits in to the long-term model whilst being patient for that bigger selection next year ne the play? Or do we try like crazy to get a 2nd Pick in this lottery to get a more upside guy to go with Murray?

                Barring major changes, this team's probably gonna be in the lottery at least another year or 2. There are too many good teams in the East right now. I'd prefer we take as many swings as possible until we find a potential go to guy. If we play it safe with Murray now, there's no guarantee we'll pick the right upside guy later on. No matter how well these guys are scouted, there's always bust potential.

                I feel if the Kings go Ivey then high change Murray is gone at 5 to the Pistons.

                Yeah I think there's a chance Keegan goes 4 or 5 and it wouldn't surprise me if Mathurin's stock rises to the point he's an option at 4 or 5. Sharpe's obviously a gamble and I think Mathurin might fit alongside Cade and Fox better than Ivey. I'm interested to hear Kstat's take on the Detroit situation.




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                • #23
                  Tbird It's good to see you again. I have always enjoyed your analysis. I sometimes don't agree but, I cannot ever suggest that my analysis is at the same level of thoroughness as yours.
                  Go Pacers!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post




                    The Pistons’ situation is really fluid. They need more secondary creation, but they also need more shooting. Could go either way.

                    Personally, I value secondary creation a little more so I’d take Ivey, but Murray is in no way a consolation prize. I think he’s got more upside than people realize simply as a 2-way off ball shooter. Mathurin also fits that bill though I’ve gotten no buzz about him at 5. Think they’re more attracted to Daniels.

                    The wild card is Sharpe. All he is right now is an athlete- NBA frame, incredible wingspan, A+ vertical, A-minus burst. Based on his last available film though, he doesn’t know how to play at this level. At all. He’s way behind all of his peers in terms of polish. You hope he picked up something meaningful practicing at Kentucky, but you don’t learn nearly as much about yourself in practice.

                    Also, look out for a possible trade of Jerami Grant to Portland for Bledsoe and #7. The framework for that one has been in the works since the deadline, and it’s just a matter of do both teams sign off on it before the draft. The Pistons could possibly fill both needs in one draft if that happens. I’d give it 50-50 odds.

                    if that happens, who the pistons pick at 5 probably becomes more about who they think the Pacers would be less likely to pass on at 6.
                    Last edited by Kstat; 05-22-2022, 10:12 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
                      I agree that Murray is a very “Pacers” pick. A backcourt of Haliburton, Duarte, and Murray is basically a Boy Scout troop. If we do pick him, I’d like to see us pickup another pick to maybe draft a huge upside guy.
                      Give me Sochan over Murray!
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                        Should we knock guys like him for not testing or measuring at the combine? I mean, he plays big but still it'd be nice to have as much information as possible. You have to assume his agent/advisors thought it would only hurt his draft stock. AJ Griffin's another guy that didn't test or measure.
                        I think he gets a knock for disappearing in games, I like the part of the analysis that says he can’t create shots for others or himself; this gives a base of why he disappeared at certain moments.

                        Haliburton would definitely get him involved, but still not convinced he’s the one to take at 6.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          I was thinking Granger/Harris but I think he has a bit of Scottie Barnes, Murray is long and strong, he is going to be able to play PF easy.
                          His defense is no where near Barnes

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            I was thinking Granger/Harris but I think he has a bit of Scottie Barnes, Murray is long and strong, he is going to be able to play PF easy.
                            I don't think he just CAN play the 4 I think he HAS to play the 4. Murray is a stretch 4 in the NBA if he is going to have any kind of career at all. He isn't going to keep up with wings full time in the NBA.

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                            • #29
                              I have OD’d on Keegan so be the lottery, several podcasts, articles, utube. And this from tbird

                              Keegan is perfect, great guy, perfect attitude, seems like he will move into our starting lineup and fit perfectly.

                              however seems like he will never be the guy. And by I mean he won’t be the best player on a team that is still playing at the end of May. He won’t be the guy. Nothing wrong with that. There might only be 1 or 2 of those in this draft. There might not be any. And several that we think might be the guy will be complete busts. And doesn’t seem Keegan will be that.

                              So assuming we don’t make a trade Keegan would be an excellent pick. No real downside or gamble. Pacers will still be looking for that guy after this pick.

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                              • #30
                                So great to see you back on here, Tbird. What a delight it is to read your profiles. Thank you for taking the time to further enlighten all of us. We don't deserve you.

                                Murray does seem like the quintessential Pacers pick, but I have a growing gut instinct that we're going to select Mathurin with the pick, unless we trade it.

                                Look forward to reading the rest of your profiles!

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