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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #1

    Game #29 Pacers vs Warriors

    Not as big a task as beating the Bucks(almost impossible) but a close second.


    https://www.nba.com/pacers/preview-p...arriors-211213




    Game Preview: Pacers vs Warriors

    Monday, December 13, 2021 at 7:00 PM ET at Gainbridge Fieldhouse





    Matchup

    Coming off a 3-0 week, the Pacers (12-16) will look to close out their homestand with a fourth straight win on Monday night, but they face a stiff test as they host the Golden State Warriors (21-5).
    Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle went into the NBA's health and safety protocols on Thursday after testing positive for COVID-19, but the team played inspired basketball in their first game without him on the sidelines. Lloyd Pierce took over head coaching duties and help guide the team to a 106-93 win over Dallas (Carlisle's former team).
    Caris LeVert had a team-high 26 points, including 16 in the second half, continuing a recent trend of strong play. Over his past four games, LeVert is averaging 21.8 points, 4.0 assists, and 1.8 steals while shooting 49.3 percent from the field and 43.8 percent from 3-point range.
    The Pacers will need LeVert to be at the top of his game on Monday against the Warriors, who have been dominant on both ends of the floor this season. Golden State has been the NBA's best defensive team by a significant margin, allowing just 99.9 points per 100 possessions, nearly four points less than the next-best defensive rating. The Warriors also rank fourth in offensive rating, scoring 111.9 points per 100 possessions.
    All eyes will be on Stephen Curry on Monday night in Indianapolis as the two-time MVP continues his pursuit of Ray Allen's all-time 3-point record. The 33-year-old sharpshooter out of Davidson enters Monday with 2,967 career 3-pointers made, six shy of Allen's record mark of 2,973. Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of Curry's achievement is that he has played over 500 less career games than Allen did (Allen set the record in 1,300 career games, Curry has played 787 games entering Monday).
    In some ways, there would be something poetic to Curry setting the record in Indiana, considering Pacers legend Reggie Miller held the 3-point record for many years before Allen passed him in 2011. But the Pacers will be trying to prevent him from setting the record in their building, hoping to push the date of Curry's achievement back at least one night (the Warriors play the Knicks at Madison Square Garden on Tuesday).
    Projected Starters


    Malcolm Brogdon


    Chris Duarte


    Caris LeVert


    Domantas Sabonis


    Myles Turner




    Stephen Curry


    Jordan Poole


    Andrew Wiggins


    Draymond Green


    Kevon Looney



    Injury Report

    Pacers: Justin Holiday - questionable (return to competition reconditioning), Brad Wanamaker - questionable (non-COVID illness), T.J. McConnell - out (sore right wrist), T.J. Warren – out (left foot stress fracture)
    Warriors: Andre Iguodala - out (right knee injury management), Klay Thompson - out (right Achilles tendon injury recovery), James Wiseman - out (right knee injury recovery)
    Last Meeting

    Feb. 24, 2021: The Pacers dropped a tight 111-107 contest the Warriors at Gainbridge Fieldhouse, the Blue & Gold's first contest after a week-long layoff. Indiana climbed within one following Myles Turner's basket with 4:36 remaining, but Golden State responded with six straight points, providing enough cushion to hold off the Blue & Gold down the stretch.
    "I feel like we got key stops at the end of the fourth, but we just couldn't make baskets," Domantas Sabonis said. "That was the main thing. I think our defense overall there was pretty good...but at the end when we got stops, we couldn't convert and get the lead."
    Malcolm Brogdon scored a team-high 24 points on 10-of-20 shooting in the loss. Sabonis added 22 points, 16 rebounds, and four assists, going 7-for-12 from the field and 8-for-12 from the free throw line.
    Stephen Curry had 24 points, eight boards, and eight assists for Golden State, going 7-for-21 from the field, but just 1-for-11 from 3-point range. Kelly Oubre added 17 points, Andrew Wiggins scored 15, and Draymond Green narrowly missed out on a triple-double, stuffing the stat sheet with 12 points, nine rebounds, 11 assists, and three steals.
    Noteworthy
    • The Warriors have won four of their last five games in Indianapolis.
    • Pacers forward Justin Holiday was a member of the 2014-15 Warriors team that won an NBA title, while Indiana guard Brad Wanamaker appeared in 39 games for Golden State last season before being traded to Charlotte at the trade deadline.
    • Curry has made at least one 3-pointer in 150 consecutive games, the second-longest streak in NBA history. Curry is chasing his own record streak of 157 games, which he set over three seasons between 2014 and 2016.
    Tickets

    The Pacers wrap up their six-game homestand on Monday, Dec. 13 at 7:00 PM ET, when they host Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors at Gainbridge Fieldhouse. Find Tickets ?
    Broadcast Information TV & Radio Listings ?

    TV: Bally Sports Indiana - Chris Denari (play-by-play), Quinn Buckner (analyst), Jeremiah Johnson (sideline reporter/host)
    Radio: 93.5/107.5 The Fan - Mark Boyle (play-by-play), Eddie Gill (analyst), Pat Boylan (sideline reporter/host)






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  • #2
    I don't know how they've got to 21-5, but that lineup just doesn't send shivers down my spine. And Steph has been playing poorly lately. I think Pacers win - or Steph goes nutzo and hits like 10 3s and the Pacers get blown out.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
      I don't know how they've got to 21-5, but that lineup just doesn't send shivers down my spine. And Steph has been playing poorly lately. I think Pacers win - or Steph goes nutzo and hits like 10 3s and the Pacers get blown out.
      21-5 because their defense is on another level plus Wiggins is playing good. Their point differential is 12.2 I think, number 1 team in 3rd quarter scoring, 1st in assist, 3rd in rebounding, 1st in opponent field goal percentage

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      • #4
        I believe Wanamaker may be out with non Covid illness.

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        • #5
          Plus it helps they got rid of low iq players in Oubre and Blazemore
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          • #6
            Looking forward to this one and what it might say about any progress this group has made. Sabonis & Turner will need to play well again.

            Now that the Pacers are open to wheeling and dealing here is a deal with Golden State similar to the one put out there by the media. There are tax implications with both GSW & Portland so I don't think this one would actually go but there might be another more balanced 3-way deal with these teams out there after more players become eligible for a trade on 12/15. Also don't think GSW will seriously consider making a trade until the deadline and if they do call the Pacers for either Sabonis or Turner IMO Kuminga has to be included.....

            http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4udwq98

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            • #7
              It will be interesting to see if the Pacers can continue to play well. If they do, then they have a good chance to beat the Warriors. That's what I expect. Go Pacers!
              Go Pacers!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                21-5 because their defense is on another level plus Wiggins is playing good. Their point differential is 12.2 I think, number 1 team in 3rd quarter scoring, 1st in assist, 3rd in rebounding, 1st in opponent field goal percentage
                So, the team that everyone touts as an offensive team is getting it done with defense.

                OK.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                  So, the team that everyone touts as an offensive team is getting it done with defense.

                  OK.
                  They are 3rd in offense, 1st in defense. Same way in 2015 when they won.
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                  • #10
                    Kerr says Iguodala will not play tonight but will play in nyc. Iguodala’s knee came through Saturday fine — Warriors just want to be cautious on back to back. Steph and Draymond will play.

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                    • #11
                      ESPN still has the game being shown on NBA TV, I thought it was pulled?

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                      • #12
                        Jordan Poole is a name that comes up when talking about MIP. I am not so sure that Caris Levert is better than him, even though Caris was supposedly the missing link in getting our team over the hump. Poole has more value around the league I think. I do question though if having Steph next to him is making him fools gold... Wiggins is better than Duarte (for now at least) and Curry >>> Brogdon. Green and Sabonis I would consider a wash and Myles might be slightly better than Looney.

                        Talentwise this is going to be a tough game, but if Sabonis can outplay Green, we can hurt them because the one thing that gives them problems is a strong, physical big man.
                        Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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                        • #13
                          The good news is that we are going to witness the new NBA all-time record from Curry.
                          I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                          • #14
                            Wonder the defensive game plan on Curry. Double on screens he’s passing to Green and then it’s a 4 on 3 bucket every time. 1 on 1 coverage and he’s torching all of our slow footed defenders

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                            • #15
                              Just let Steph take 3 pointers until he makes his 7. They'll bench him to rest, the bandwagoners will leave happy as soon as he hits the last one, and we can go on.

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                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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