Does Rick Carlisle Hate Domantas Sabonis? by Kevin O'connor

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  • vnzla81
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 68006

    Does Rick Carlisle Hate Domantas Sabonis? by Kevin O'connor

    Just trade him already


    Nate McMillan was replaced by the disastrous Nate Bjorkgren, who got dumped for a future Hall of Fame head coach in Rick Carlisle, and yet the results remain blah and boring for the Pacers a third season in a row.

    Most curious of all is Carlisle’s handling of Sabonis, a 25-year-old two-time All-Star who has seen his role dwindle this season. Sabonis was previously a playmaking hub on the elbow and post, logging 14.6 touches per game under McMillan to 14.3 under Bjorkgren, but that number has plummeted under Carlisle to only 8.7, according to NBA Advanced Stats.

    Allowing Sabonis to facilitate from the elbows optimized his offensive value because it empowered him to attack the basket or pick apart the defense with the pass. Now he’s been neutered by being asked to be a stationary player spotting up from 3. The problem is that he’s a minor threat from distance, at only 31.6 percent from 3 in his career and only 28.4 percent this season.

    Carlisle doesn’t like post-ups. In Dallas, he removed Kristaps Porzingis’s post touches in favor of 3s. The difference is Porzingis is a knockdown shooter for his size and in previous seasons was a feeble post presence. Sabonis isn’t a dominant post threat like Joel Embiid or a telepathic playmaker from the elbows like Nikola Jokic. But he’s good. It’s what he does best.

    If Carlisle’s vision for Sabonis doesn’t align with his ideal role, it poses a question about Sabonis’s future with the team. The idea of dealing him is understandably met with a split opinion among Pacers fans. You could point to his success and year-to-year improvement, but you could also have concerns about his fit andhis shortcomings on defense; Sabonis has made subtle yet insignificant improvements there over the years, and he’s still average at best.

    The trade market is as dry as a Pacers game. If Indiana openly shopped Sabonis, he would immediately become the best player available. What he offers may not work for Indiana, but his playmaking could be of great value to another team with contending hopes—or a team desperate to push for a playoff spot. In turn, the Pacers could fill their no. 1 need of a playmaking guard or wing who can generate an open shot at the end of the shot clock. It might cost them their most accomplished player, but at least it’d get them moving in the right direction.

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  • Motion Offense
    Lawyer Morty
    • Apr 2019
    • 5790

    #2
    Pacers master plan is to tank and get some good young players. Then in 2-3 years draft Bronny James so that LeBron can come here and play and lead us to a championship before he retires

    Rick hates post ups and everyone should’ve seen this from miles away

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    • D-BONE
      Peace Dog
      • Feb 2006
      • 15641

      #3
      The trade market is as dry as a Pacer's game. That alone was worth reading the piece. Hilarious! Like I said in the Herb Simon post, watching this product is as exciting as watching paint dry.
      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

      -Emiliano Zapata

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      • Downtown Bang!
        Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 1945

        #4
        Sabonis' points, assists & O Rating may be down from last year but his defensive rating in 7.5 points better, net rating is 4.6 points better, rebound % is better, his shooting efficiency is markedly better (EFG & TS). Rick Carlisle may be his best friend and neither Sabonis' or his change in "production" is the problem for this group....
        Last edited by Downtown Bang!; 12-06-2021, 08:28 PM.

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        • BillS
          Angry Old Poster
          • Mar 2004
          • 21634

          #5
          I wish I had someone hate me for 34 minute of scoring 30 and getting 10 rebounds.

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          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • vnzla81
            Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 68006

            #6
            Originally posted by BillS
            I wish I had someone hate me for 34 minute of scoring 30 and getting 10 rebounds.

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            Not sure what your point is other than Sabo been really good at what he does.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • BillS
              Angry Old Poster
              • Mar 2004
              • 21634

              #7
              Originally posted by vnzla81

              Not sure what your point is other than Sabo been really good at what he does.
              It's that Carlisle isn't the evil force trying to destroy him

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              BillS

              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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              • Ozys Nepimpis
                Member
                • Dec 2019
                • 2237

                #8
                [QUOTE=BillS;n3635992]It's that Carlisle isn't the evil force trying to destroy him

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                [/QUOTE.....and yet it's over 4 Domas in Indiana....unless Carlisle changes his whole bb philosophy Domas is gone with the wind for a better climate and a better team

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                • vnzla81
                  Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 68006

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BillS
                  It's that Carlisle isn't the evil force trying to destroy him

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                  Sabonis is so good he was an all star with a clown coach last year.

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                  • Motion Offense
                    Lawyer Morty
                    • Apr 2019
                    • 5790

                    #10
                    Originally posted by vnzla81

                    Sabonis is so good he was an all star with a clown coach last year.
                    After 2 players were hurt and Trae Young was declined by his old coach (Pierce)

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                    • pacers_heath
                      Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 4671

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Motion Offense

                      After 2 players were hurt and Trae Young was declined by his old coach (Pierce)
                      Still an all star...

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                      Lifelong pacers fan

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                      • PacerDude
                        It's just my opinion.
                        • May 2009
                        • 10047

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pacers_heath
                        Still an all star...
                        But that doesn't matter - right ??

                        Or maybe it does, depending on what one needs.

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                        • pacers_heath
                          Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 4671

                          #13
                          Originally posted by PacerDude

                          But that doesn't matter - right ??

                          Or maybe it does, depending on what one needs.
                          That's...incredibly vague

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                          • CJ Jones
                            Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 9258

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Downtown Bang!
                            Sabonis' points, assists & O Rating may be down from last year but his defensive rating in 7.5 points better, net rating is 4.6 points better, rebound % is better, his shooting efficiency is markedly better (EFG & TS). Rick Carlisle may be his best friend and neither Sabonis' or his change in "production" is the problem for this group....
                            When used correctly, Domas can make players around him better. That's not happening with the way he's being used right now. If the guards were playing well in this system it'd make sense to leash Domas, but they're not. Why limit Domas' involvement if these guards and wings are out there making poor decisions and throwing up bricks? Domas could maybe help these guys be more efficient if he was more involved.

                            Domas consistently put up video game numbers towards the end of last season under Bjorkgren. Give me that version of Domas offensively anyday.

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                            • bumpercar3
                              Peanut
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 1091

                              #15
                              Nate B used him as a distributor. He saw that no one else was getting high percentage looks with any regularity. He did the math. Don’t expect that from old man Carlisle.

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