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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Our point guard situation disturbs me

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  • Our point guard situation disturbs me

    Owens and Ballboy both got DNP-CDs tonight. Quis played every moment that Tinsley was off the court, and none that he was on. This is a problem.

    Over the summer I thought we had an embarrassment of riches at the PG spot. Owens looked good in summer league, Diener was a big-time shooter with "swagger," and I had foolish hope against hope that Tinsley would become a new player under Obie. I didn't think it would happen, but I had hope.

    Now look at us. Tinsley is off the charts amazingly good... better than I'd dared hope. But Diener has been flat-out awful. I haven't seen enough of Owens to have an opinion, but evidently Jim has one and it's not good. So we have Marquis running the point, and he's forcing things. It's not his best position... he seems to play better off the ball. Maybe he'll get it, so I'm open to giving him time. But if he goes out with an injury, or (much worse) if we lose Tinsley for any amount of time, we are absolutely toast.

    We should be thinking about trades. We need to acquire a good backup point guard. I don't know who gets moved to make it happen, but it needs to happen. Farmar, Jack, JC Superstar, Brevin Knight, I don't care. But this is not a good long-term situation.
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  • #2
    Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

    We should have resigned Keith Mcleod instead of bringing in Diener.
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    • #3
      Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

      anthem I fully agree with you. In the preseason I thought all the PG problems we have had since mark jackson left might actually be over. What is it about the pacers that makes PG's lose their shot. First is was saraunus and now travis.


      • #4
        Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

        Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
        We should have signed anyone with feet instead of bringing in Diener.
        You Got The Tony!!!!!!


        • #5
          Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

          tradewise...i would see what kind of trade we could make with houston, portland or seattle. all three have logjams at PG (james/alston/francis/head/brooks, west/watson/ridenour and blake/jack/rodriguez/green). portland seems more likely.

          it does look like deciding to take our chances with diener over keith was a poor one but you can't really blame TPTB for that, bringing in obrien, the pacers desperately need shooting, keith isn't a shooter and diener is... the problem is diener's shooting hasn't been there.

          i'm not totally why andre can't see any time off the bench. he has seemingly played well (especially defensively) in the limited minutes he's received.
          This is the darkest timeline.


          • #6
            Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

            I could live with dieners shortcomings if he was really money from three like he is supposed to be... I just don't understand how he could suddenly be shooting so poorly.
            "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

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            • #7
              Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

              I think part of the problem with Diener is his previous experience was too limited to really gauge his ability to be a threat from three. Coming into the season, he'd only shot 107 3's. Granger already had 81 attempts thru 17 games this season. We are talking about a guy who has 23 free throw attempts in his career. After the Suns game Jamaal will have played more minutes this season than Travis has in his career. That's something to consider. It's really something that should have been considered prior to his 3 year deal. Did other teams have this guy on speed dial this off-season?

              Owens has even less experience but he is from Indy.

              There's room on the roster to sign a free agent but no money in the pocket. Plus all of the free agents are either too old, no better than what we have or holding out for too much money.

              He aren't we still paying Green. He's not doing anything is he?
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              • #8
                Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                After looking at some of Diner's stats, I'm really amazed at the expectations many of us had for this guy. He will set career season highs with 12 more rebounds, 13 more assists, 5 steals, 11 appearances, 26 FG attempts, 4 TO's and 54 points.

                We've done a pretty good job at over rating the backup point guards the last few years really. Wasn't everybody at some point early on pretty high on Orien, Snap, Diener, Owens and some were even calling for McLeod to be the starter this season. AJ, Runi, DA & Strickland were nothing spectacular but at least contributed at some level. I think Jamaal or Daniels going down for an extended period of time will force them to trade somebody they don't want to give up on.
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                • #9
                  Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                  Tinsley is 6th in the league in assists/gm, up there with the top PGs in the league. That would be terrible if we lost that.


                  • #10
                    Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                    Originally posted by TheDoddage View Post
                    Tinsley is 6th in the league in assists/gm, up there with the top PGs in the league. That would be terrible if we lost that.
                    I couldn't agree more.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                      I'm not ready to give up on Diener or Owens just yet. Though I am worried about the minutes Tins is having to play. It's just one month into the season, 80% of the season is left. In the mean time I hope they're keeping an eye open for available backup PG's.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                        Diener was a no cost pickup that if he did good Bird would look like he struck gold. However if he failed (which so far is the case) then it's hard to fault anyone on this because of the cost.

                        However we desperately need to get someone in here to help run the point for a few min. a game.

                        God help us if Jamaal goes down with an injury of some kind.

                        Keith McCloud was fine by me but I bet he wanted the lower level exemption at least.

                        Jamaal has really and truely done a 180 this season and he keeps talking about how nice it is to have a coaching staff finally have faith in him.

                        I have no real gripes about his play, sure he could be a better defender, but when you run an open style like we do you have to give the PG the power to miss some shots and make a bad pass. Just as long as they don't overdue it which Jamaal is not.

                        However, I don't care about any history of this guy at all when I say this, but even the healthiest of pg's get injured and very very few can go for this many min. for the length of a season.

                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


                        • #13
                          Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                          I'm not to worried about the situation.

                          I think that Travis can play. He just doesn't have any confidence right now. Give him some time. He has very little NBA experience. One thing I do know about him is that the Magic fans sure liked him it seemed. I think they liked him a lot more than Carlos Arroyo.

                          As for Owens I don't know what you expect. He can give us some good defense here and there but he is a third stringer. I'm fine with him on the roster but never thought he would give us big time production.

                          I'll say this I would love to get Luther Head from the Rockets. I know that Luther is a shooter and a good athlete. I don't know that he can play the point any better than Marqius though.

                          I don't think we have a lot of good opitions to get an upgrade at the backup point guard spot to be honest. I don't know what we would give up for anyone decent.

                          I'm not to worried about it. Jamaal is a big part of this team and he is going to have to play a lot of minutes being the point guard. There is only one point guard. Jamaal plays 34 minutes a game. It's a lot but not enough to have me worried. He will be fine.

                          I think that if Diener would play some defense then Jim would play him. Diener's offense will come with time but his defense is what is keeping him out of games, atleast that is what i'm thinking.
                          Last edited by Young; 12-03-2007, 02:26 AM.


                          • #14
                            Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                            I thought McCleod played decent for the time he was here and coming to a new team. Wonder what he's making this year compared to Deiner? He was in the alleged bar fight which might have had something to do with him being gone. It shut the door on Snap when he was hangin with Jax... Of course he would still be in the league if played D like Jaxs.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Our point guard situation disturbs me

                              Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
                              He aren't we still paying Green. He's not doing anything is he?
                              Orien Greene recently signed with the New Zealand Breakers in the NBL (Australia/NZ league). Should play his first game this weekend.