GET BEN SIMMONS PRITCHARD !!!!

[kent beckley]

He's a 3x all-star and an all NBA player. How many Pacers in history have ever even achieved that? Brogdon isn't in the same league. This would be a no brainer.

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They ARE in the same league. Literally.

[PacerDude]

O'Shea Brissett - Good young talent with good potential.

Don't forget - he was the Pacers best player towards the end of the season. He's not a throw in.

[siomi]

I can't figure out why on Earth we or anyone would trade for Simmons. For defense alone? Huge contract for a guy with little to none offensive game, totally unplayable in crunch time. Certainly not worth a pick or Brogdon alone. Philly threw a bag of money to him because he was a #1 pick and was expected to improve which he didn't and I see no signs of this to happen. Let them deal with it, why help a rival? I would take Sumner over him each and every day.

[ksuttonjr76]

I think that it's more that the Sixers were gauging interest in Simmons now and what his trade value is after his Playoff debacle. Although many of us think that such a trade offer is fair, I suspect that they would have rejected whatever offer that the Pacers sent unless it was a "godfather offer".

The Sixers essentially used the Pacers to "set the table" for everyone else for all future negotiations. With the news out; every Team now knows is that they have to start with a better offer than the standard "Starting Player + Lottery Draft Pick + Expiring" type of offer. Teams like the Blazers now know that a swap of "McCollum+1st+Expiring" won't do it and that they'd have to come to the table with something more.

Of course, the Sixers will say that they expect another All-Star level Player in return. They don't technically have to move Simmons since he's not really in a position to demand a trade or have any real reason to.

I think that the longer this plays out, the greater chance that Teams will start to fall over themselves to up the offer. It would essentially become a bidding war.

I expect that some Team will significantly overpay for Simmons and many of us here will be surprised that the asking price was that high. Of course; when some other team does acquire Simmons and overpay for him, I fully expect for some here on PD to complain about why the Pacers didn't get Simmons. My hope and expectation is that KP will approach the Sixers/Simmons the same way that he approached the Celtics/Hayward trade discussions. The question will become what is the "red line" that KP won't cross to acquire Simmons.

>> Brogdon+1st+Warren+Lamb ( or Justin ) + Aaron is my "red line" offer. I do think that this is overpaying unless we somehow get back a low end prospect like Thybulle or we get back #28.

The question to all of you when that eventually happens is what your "red line" is when it comes to trying to bid for Simmons.

I hate that you're probably right.

My redline offer would be

Brogdon - When it's all said and done, they need a PG.

13th Pick - Well, that's the lowest ante.

Warren OR Lavert - Can't have both.

O'Shea Brissett - Good young talent with good potential.



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[CableKC]

Warren. I won't include him b/c if and when he comes back healthy, it's important for us to retain his skillset. As it is, I'm still only pleased by this trade possibility because I assume Turner will get traded as well. I'd honestly rather just go for broke, trade Brogdon + Levert + 1st and see if you can't get back a really nice 2 in exchange for Turner elsewhere. It's always easier to trade players of different positions/skills because of contrasting needs. I'm still very high on Brissett, and think he provides exactly what we need so might as well give him some burn and let him prove himself for a full year.

I still think you can rip off Malik Beasley from Minnesota in exchange for Turner, hes a very nice player whose days there are probably over, and he pretty much replaces Brodgon's contributions.

Simmons
Beasley
Warren
Brissett
Sabonis

Get dat.

Agree to disagree. I think that LeVert is more versatile and very helpful as a ball handler and shot creator. I'm sure that Warren is an overall better scorer, but he's more of a black hole on offense that doesn't offer too much else beyond that which I think can be replaced. This ignores that he's a UFA next season that could bolt next season.

[OneMoreYear]

If we do eventually deal for Simmons, might as well bring back Lance too in order to light the necessary fire under Ben's *** and get the most out of him.

Born Ready...to Be an Assistant Coach.

[croz24]

If we do eventually deal for Simmons, might as well bring back Lance too in order to light the necessary fire under Ben's *** and get the most out of him.

[OneMoreYear]

I think that it's more that the Sixers were gauging interest in Simmons now and what his trade value is after his Playoff debacle. Although many of us think that such a trade offer is fair, I suspect that they would have rejected whatever offer that the Pacers sent unless it was a "godfather offer".

The Sixers essentially used the Pacers to "set the table" for everyone else for all future negotiations. With the news out; every Team now knows is that they have to start with a better offer than the standard "Starting Player + Lottery Draft Pick + Expiring" type of offer. Teams like the Blazers now know that a swap of "McCollum+1st+Expiring" won't do it and that they'd have to come to the table with something more.

Of course, the Sixers will say that they expect another All-Star level Player in return. They don't technically have to move Simmons since he's not really in a position to demand a trade or have any real reason to.

I think that the longer this plays out, the greater chance that Teams will start to fall over themselves to up the offer. It would essentially become a bidding war.

I expect that some Team will significantly overpay for Simmons and many of us here will be surprised that the asking price was that high. Of course; when some other team does acquire Simmons and overpay for him, I fully expect for some here on PD to complain about why the Pacers didn't get Simmons. My hope and expectation is that KP will approach the Sixers/Simmons the same way that he approached the Celtics/Hayward trade discussions. The question will become what is the "red line" that KP won't cross to acquire Simmons.

>> Brogdon+1st+Warren+Lamb ( or Justin ) + Aaron is my "red line" offer. I do think that this is overpaying unless we somehow get back a low end prospect like Thybulle or we get back #28.

The question to all of you when that eventually happens is what your "red line" is when it comes to trying to bid for Simmons.

Warren. I won't include him b/c if and when he comes back healthy, it's important for us to retain his skillset. As it is, I'm still only pleased by this trade possibility because I assume Turner will get traded as well. I'd honestly rather just go for broke, trade Brogdon + Levert + 1st and see if you can't get back a really nice 2 in exchange for Turner elsewhere. It's always easier to trade players of different positions/skills because of contrasting needs. I'm still very high on Brissett, and think he provides exactly what we need so might as well give him some burn and let him prove himself for a full year.

I still think you can rip off Malik Beasley from Minnesota in exchange for Turner, hes a very nice player whose days there are probably over, and he pretty much replaces Brodgon's contributions.

Simmons
Beasley
Warren
Brissett
Sabonis

Get dat.

[Hoop]

I just think Simmons is always gonna be a pain in the @ss, he's broke and there's no fixing him. He's never gonna shoot FT's even decent. Late in games he's always gonna be a problem. Guys like that just don't fix those problems, EVER.

I would trade Brogdon and a 1st for him though and I like Brogdon probably more than most on here. Ben is a talent, a screwed up talent, that I wouldn't risk giving up more than that.

[SaintLouisan]

This isn’t my trade. It was a suggested trade on another site.

Ah, well that explains why we're the ones getting fisted.

[CableKC]

The overwhelming opinion on Twitter is that Sixers were foolish not to accept this trade. Wonder if perhaps they're posturing in order to see who'll field a slightly better offer? Doesn't mean this possibility is dead, and TBH I'm warming to this idea. It's very possible we would be just fine with Simmons chipping in 16/8/8 a night with outstanding defense, everyone else is capable of getting their 20/night. Well, except for Clankbot.

I fully expect for other teams to "kick the tires" to see if they can get anywhere. A "Simmons+1st+Expiring" offer isn't hard to beat.

I fully expect that KP will circle back and make another offer after more and more Teams jump in.

[OneMoreYear]

The overwhelming opinion on Twitter is that Sixers were foolish not to accept this trade. Wonder if perhaps they're posturing in order to see who'll field a slightly better offer? Doesn't mean this possibility is dead, and TBH I'm warming to this idea. It's very possible we would be just fine with Simmons chipping in 16/8/8 a night with outstanding defense, everyone else is capable of getting their 20/night. Well, except for Clankbot.

[Ichi]

He also liked Ian Mahinmi so much he convinced Pacers to sign him.

Mahinmi was very solid in his tenure here. It's that last contract that was hideous.

[CableKC]

It's interesting to see what people think of Brogdon around the league which is that even with Simmons being regarded as something of a reclamation project most people think this isn't even close to enough.

I think that it's more that the Sixers were gauging interest in Simmons now and what his trade value is after his Playoff debacle. Although many of us think that such a trade offer is fair, I suspect that they would have rejected whatever offer that the Pacers sent unless it was a "godfather offer".

The Sixers essentially used the Pacers to "set the table" for everyone else for all future negotiations. With the news out; every Team now knows is that they have to start with a better offer than the standard "Starting Player + Lottery Draft Pick + Expiring" type of offer. Teams like the Blazers now know that a swap of "McCollum+1st+Expiring" won't do it and that they'd have to come to the table with something more.

Of course, the Sixers will say that they expect another All-Star level Player in return. They don't technically have to move Simmons since he's not really in a position to demand a trade or have any real reason to.

I think that the longer this plays out, the greater chance that Teams will start to fall over themselves to up the offer. It would essentially become a bidding war.

I expect that some Team will significantly overpay for Simmons and many of us here will be surprised that the asking price was that high. Of course; when some other team does acquire Simmons and overpay for him, I fully expect for some here on PD to complain about why the Pacers didn't get Simmons. My hope and expectation is that KP will approach the Sixers/Simmons the same way that he approached the Celtics/Hayward trade discussions. The question will become what is the "red line" that KP won't cross to acquire Simmons.

>> Brogdon+1st+Warren+Lamb ( or Justin ) + Aaron is my "red line" offer. I do think that this is overpaying unless we somehow get back a low end prospect like Thybulle or we get back #28.

The question to all of you when that eventually happens is what your "red line" is when it comes to trying to bid for Simmons.

[Grimp]

It's interesting to see what people think of Brogdon around the league which is that even with Simmons being regarded as something of a reclamation project most people think this isn't even close to enough.

I think Brogdon, Oshae B., #13, and 2022 unprotected first probably gets it done. But imo that's too much for Simmons. IF this deal is to get done, Indy will have to acquire another asset from someone else to ship over to Philly in the trade. It's intriguing that we took a swing this early though. I mean, while the conference finals are still happening.