The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #77
    If it's true that the U.S. has a significant percentage of unreported infections, and the virus' mortality rate is around 3.4%, as the World Health Organization claims, then we'd expect to see a (relatively) large number of coronavirus deaths popping up all across the U.S. We're not seeing that. In fact, outside of the Kirkland nursing home outbreak (30 deaths), the U.S.'s death toll has been small (9) with a low mortality rate (<1%).

    The evidence just isn't there, fellas. The more evidential scenario is that Trump's proactive China travel ban coupled with North America being so isolated from the epicenter of the outbreak has kept things mostly under control. The latter would also explain why South America and Australia have such a low number of reported infections.

    I'm sorry if this good news upsets some of you.


    • #78
      Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
      If it's true that the U.S. has a significant percentage of unreported infections, and the virus' mortality rate is around 3.4%, as the World Health Organization claims, then we'd expect to see a (relatively) large number of coronavirus deaths popping up all across the U.S. We're not seeing that. In fact, outside of the Kirkland nursing home outbreak (30 deaths), the U.S.'s death toll has been small (9) with a low mortality rate (<1%).

      The evidence just isn't there, fellas. The more evidential scenario is that Trump's proactive China travel ban coupled with North America being so isolated from the epicenter of the outbreak has kept things mostly under control. The latter would also explain why South America and Australia have such a low number of reported infections.

      I'm sorry if this good news upsets some of you.
      That 3.4% is greatly inflated. Hell, ground zero(China) the mortality rate outside of Wuhan where it originated, is .7%. This is the power of the media. This is a flu, this is not the bubonic plague.
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      • #79
        Originally posted by P_George View Post

        That 3.4% is greatly inflated. Hell, ground zero(China) the mortality rate outside of Wuhan where it originated, is .7%. This is the power of the media. This is a flu, this is not the bubonic plague.
        wait a week...


        • #81
          Exactly what he (and his publicist) needed to stay. Just ride out the storm of criticism now and learn from your immature mistakes. We've all done plenty of stupid s*** before.
          Last edited by 712Jefferson; 03-12-2020, 04:01 PM.


          • #83
            Originally posted by P_George View Post

            That 3.4% is greatly inflated. Hell, ground zero(China) the mortality rate outside of Wuhan where it originated, is .7%. This is the power of the media. This is a flu, this is not the bubonic plague.
            You would think that but look at Italy. And a flu is near .1 if not lower in terms of mortality rate. Swine flu was around a .1 mortality rate. But if you are over 60 years old then the mortality rate goes up to 15-20% . 1/5 people above 60 can die. The flu numbers are around 2-5% for the same age group.


            • #84
              NBA owners are encouraging of commissioner Adam Silver to re-evaluate the league's suspension in 30 days, sources tell ESPN. League is expected to make a formal announcement on an initial timetable soon.


              • #85
                Originally posted by Mr. Mass View Post
                The evidence just isn't there, fellas..
                The US is in the beginning stages of this thing - as is most of the world with the exception of its origin. I would think any realistic numbers would have to be a month or so away. Seems like anything much sooner than that is mere speculation.

                That said - it does appear that the number of cases in China is trending down.

                Just be smart. Don't lick anyone you don't know - OK ??


                • #86
                  So, it's a former Pacers ballboy who just probably deserved to get a statue built in his honor after this is over:

                  The NBA makes the right move

                  Doing the right thing in the face of COVID-19, thanks to a man named Donnie Strack

                  BY HENRY ABBOTT

                  Even though virtually every expert in communicable diseases recommends it, the federal government hasn’t mandated social distancing—which would surely include canceling sporting events. So that decision was passed down to cities and leagues. The city of San Francisco took action, but the NBA’s board of governors hadn’t, as of Wednesday evening. So that decision was passed down again—to a man named Donnie Strack.
                  Strack grew up in Indianapolis, a ballboy for the Pacers. He bonded easily with players—so easily that Reggie Miller slipped into the back row of Strack’s high-school games, and, according to Indianapolis Monthly, Shaquille O’Neal challenged him to free-throw shooting contests.
                  By Wednesday night, though, years had passed. Strack had aged and advanced to the point that he is now the Thunder’s vice president of human and player performance. And, according to ESPN’s Royce Young, Strack sprinted onto the court, just as the referees were about to toss the ball in the air to start the game. So many others had deferred. Strack would be the one to protect the players.
                  Shortly after the game, we’d learn what Strack presumably knew then: A Jazz player had tested positive for COVID-19. Multiple reports declared that player to be Jazz center Rudy Gobert. The players were sent to their locker rooms, some pausing only for some hand sanitizer. Before long the scoreboard had news: The game would be postponed.
                  Tas Melas@TasMelas
                  March 12th 2020
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                  At 9:33 p.m. ET the NBA emailed that, after tonight’s games, the season would be suspended. As I write this, sources say players at the game in Oklahoma City are being tested.
                  They should build a statue of Donnie Strack. In a scary moment of history, when nobody knows how many people in any stadium might have COVID-19, Strack made the bold intervention. Who knows how many infections he prevented on the court and in the stands.
                  In some rough math, more than four million fans would have attended the regular season games the NBA just canceled. Michael Grange of Canada’s Sportsnet wrote earlier in the day:
                  Dr. Andrew Morris, a professor of infectious diseases at Sinai Health and University Health Network and University of Toronto is a Raptors fan, but the prospect of attending a game at the moment makes him shudder, professionally and personally. He paints a scenario where it would only take a small number of unknowingly infected fans to spread the virus to hundreds more as they share handrails, sit at close quarters and use the same ketchup dispensers. If even a fraction of them end up gravely ill the ripple effects could be calamitous: “Now you need an entire hospital’s full ICU [Intensive Care Unit] to take care of these patients,” he said. “Repeat for several games each night, night after night. Have I scared you? Good. That’s what’s happening.”
                  Even with only one confirmed case, it’s easy to see the benefits of suspending play. In the most conservative possible accounting, (that doesn’t even assess coaches, trainers, staff, fans, and journalists whose microphones Gobert intentionally touched mocking COVID-19 fears), Gobert has shared the court with 80 players and officials just in the last ten days. The list below is only of the players who checked into games Gobert played.
                  Without Dr. Strack, this list would be a lot longer. (All information from Basketball-Reference).
                  The Jazz
                  • Joe Ingles
                  • Royce O'Neale
                  • Donovan Mitchell
                  • Bojan Bogdanovic
                  • Georges Niang
                  • Tony Bradley
                  • Emmanuel Mudiay
                  • Mike Conley
                  • Jordan Clarkson
                  • Ed Davis
                  • Juwan Morgan
                  • Rayjon Tucker
                  • Nigel Williams-Goss
                  • Miye Oni
                  • Jarrell Brantley
                  • Justin Wright-Foreman

                  March 2 at Cavaliers
                  • Kevin Porter Jr.
                  • Cedi Osman
                  • Collin Sexton
                  • Larry Nance Jr.
                  • Kevin Love
                  • Matthew Dellavedova
                  • Ante Zizic
                  • Matt Mooney
                  Officials: Mitchell Ervin, Eric Lewis, Derek Richardson

                  March 4 at Knicks
                  • Julius Randle
                  • RJ Barrett
                  • Elfrid Payton
                  • Maurice Harkless
                  • Taj Gibson
                  • Bobby Portis
                  • Wayne Ellington
                  • Reggie Bullock
                  • Kevin Knox II
                  • Frank Ntilikina
                  Officials: Jenna Schroeder, Aaron Smith, Sean Wright

                  March 6 at Celtics
                  • Marcus Smart
                  • Semi Ojeleye
                  • Jayson Tatum
                  • Daniel Theis
                  • Kemba Walker
                  • Brad Wanamaker
                  • Grant Williams
                  • Robert Williams III
                  • Javonte Green
                  • Romeo Langford
                  • Enes Kanter
                  Officials: Marat Kogut, Ken Mauer, Gediminas Petraitis

                  March 7 Jazz at Pistons
                  • Christian Wood
                  • Tony Snell
                  • Brandon Knight
                  • Svi Mykhailiuk
                  • John Henson
                  • Langston Galloway
                  • Jordan McRae
                  • Bruce Brown
                  • Sekou Doumbouya
                  • Thon Maker
                  • Donta Hall
                  Officials: Brandon Adair, John Goble, Michael Smith

                  March 9 Jazz vs. Raptors
                  • Kyle Lowry
                  • Pascal Siakam
                  • Serge Ibaka
                  • OG Anunoby
                  • Norman Powell
                  • Patrick McCaw
                  • Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
                  • Matt Thomas
                  • Terence Davis
                  • Chris Boucher
                  Officials: Brent Barnaky, Courtney Kirkland, Rodney Mott
                  "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                  "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "


                  • #89
                    I think they should cancel the season. Since nobody makes the playoffs, everybody gets a chance in the lottery.
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel


                    • #90
                      Update: Love sprained his wrist writing the check, is out 2-4 weeks.