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  • Domantas Sabonis records

    As Sabonis is hunting new franchise (and other) records, I decided to make a separate thread for that.

    Tonight Sabonis made 50-th double-double and now he holds Pacers NBA franchise single-season record.
    https://twitter.com/Pacers/status/1236806587693633537

    Another Pacers NBA franchise record to break is the overall number of double-doubles. Sabonis has now 94 double-doubles. The next sub-records to beat are:
    1. T. Murphy - 103
    2. R. Hibbert - 108
    3. H. Williams - 151
    4. D. Davis - 164
    5. J. O'Neal - 243

    Most likely he will beat T. Murphy and R. Hibert numbers this year. Next season H. Williams and D. Davis records will fall. Until Sabonis contract will end - hopefully JO record will be beaten as well.
    Last edited by DeS; 03-09-2020, 10:42 AM.
    I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

  • #2
    Sabonis is a different beast than any other Pacer center. Peck can comment on ABA centers but Domas has passing skills that I do not believe any other
    Pacer center has had.
    {o,o}
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    • #3
      Originally posted by owl View Post
      Sabonis is a different beast than any other Pacer center. Peck can comment on ABA centers but Domas has passing skills that I do not believe any other
      Pacer center has had.
      I can? I'm old but not that old. You'll need to address this to Bobby Mac, IndyGeezer or BillS. I actually did not start watching the Pacers until the very first year of the ABA NBA merger. Now I've read about them and seen video, but nothing live. However I will speak about NBA centers of the Pacers. Typically they have stunk over the years with a few exceptions. For whatever reason since we have joined the NBA our Centers have typically be horrid and I mean HORRID rebounders. Domas by far is the best rebounding center we have had. Foster was a decent rebounder but nowhere this level. Brad Miller was a good rebounder, but again not to this level. Roy had a couple of years where we all had to be proud of him for working so hard to be a good rebounder, but again not to this level. If you consider J.O. a center then he would have been as good. Dale was a power forward or he would count. Rik was an abysmal rebounder. James Edwards made Myles Turner look like Denis Rodman.

      Passing? Nobody close really. Believe it or not Roy Hibbert would probably be the next best one.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #4
        numbers are not important tor Domas...only wins...he is 23y old...he will get much much better in a couple of years...finishing with his right hand ...3p shooting etc....i hope they can work together with Myles in a summer and next year with improved chemistry will show real twin towers power....Domas biggest strength ...is his unselfishness and ability to make teammates better...next year Domas is going to be an ALL NBA player...and prove to everyone that Pacers where not fleeced in PG13 trade.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Peck View Post

          I can? I'm old but not that old. You'll need to address this to Bobby Mac, IndyGeezer or BillS. I actually did not start watching the Pacers until the very first year of the ABA NBA merger. Now I've read about them and seen video, but nothing live. However I will speak about NBA centers of the Pacers. Typically they have stunk over the years with a few exceptions. For whatever reason since we have joined the NBA our Centers have typically be horrid and I mean HORRID rebounders. Domas by far is the best rebounding center we have had. Foster was a decent rebounder but nowhere this level. Brad Miller was a good rebounder, but again not to this level. Roy had a couple of years where we all had to be proud of him for working so hard to be a good rebounder, but again not to this level. If you consider J.O. a center then he would have been as good. Dale was a power forward or he would count. Rik was an abysmal rebounder. James Edwards made Myles Turner look like Denis Rodman.

          Passing? Nobody close really. Believe it or not Roy Hibbert would probably be the next best one.
          At first Rodman was normal PF, scored well, defended very well, rebounded too. Later with the Spurs and especially with the Bulls he solely specialized on rebounding. During his first practices with the Bulls he used just to watch his teammates shoot and how the ball rebounded after the misses. He scouted his opponents too. In the 90s defenses were for real. Finishing defensive stop with the rebound was important. Getting extra offensive possessions - even more. He developed his own pretty unique style - he would tip the ball couple times to himself to get a firm control. Second time around Bulls three-peated, MJ was less athletic (still pretty good ), Pippen was in his prime, Tony Kukoc was a sixth man, Kerr and other guys - scoring for Bulls was not a problem. All these extra possessions Rodman would get used to make opponents life miserable. Stopping Bulls once - was a task. To play defense 24 more secs or 24 more - A HORROR. Rodman was an elite one on one defender for too. Once he shut down Shaq. Could take care of SFs, PFs, some Cs (but definitely not Hakeem ). Why I'm pointing it out? Just to show that certain specialties on the basketball court have place. Since NBA castrated defense, now we see mostly offensive specialists - three point shooters, quick guys flying on the court tall guys who play beyond the three point line. Tipping ball o himself that's something Myles could try. Domas is an elite rebounder cause he is very quick to jump, though jumps not very high and has an alligator arms, but because he takes spaces due to his sizes and rips the ball due to his strength - here we go
          Domas dad developed his passing the same pace Domas does. Initially both were just finishers. Later, when Arvydas Sabonis could score at ease from anywhere, defenders tried double team him - leaving plenty of open teammates around. His height too. From the height of 7'4'' he could see everything on the floor and with his long hands and golden arms he became a magician with the ball. Domas passing is getting better and better, SCARY. He finds and tries new ways (remember two games ago "touch" pass to Dipo in the corner?).
          Crazy. Domas already is extremely skilled player. And he is getting better.................

          12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


          Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post
            numbers are not important tor Domas...only wins...he is 23y old...he will get much much better in a couple of years...finishing with his right hand ...3p shooting etc....i hope they can work together with Myles in a summer and next year with improved chemistry will show real twin towers power....Domas biggest strength ...is his unselfishness and ability to make teammates better...next year Domas is going to be an ALL NBA player...and prove to everyone that Pacers where not fleeced in PG13 trade.
            We have Olympic games this year.
            On a funny note - I don't know if Myles wants to see any piece of Domas during the off-season. They practice together non-stop through the NBA campaign and I bet that Myles chops remember very well every piece of Domas body. Domas likes to go 100% any time he is on the court. We saw how easy Domas scored yesterday on Porzingis and had no problem containing him away from the basket. Meanwhile Myles' rebounding and shot-blocking looks much better now.
            In college Domas played one-on-one against Karnowski way past midnight, before Karno got injured. That benefited them both. I think Myles and Domas do the same. Domas told reporters that in OKC he used to bang with Adams, and many times he got pretty roughed up. Many of us who were in sports know that after official practice is over, guys work on what they need to. To have a good teammate of your position makes it more fun. I think Goga likes to drag around too

            12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


            Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bball_nomad View Post

              We have Olympic games this year.
              On a funny note - I don't know if Myles wants to see any piece of Domas during the off-season. They practice together non-stop through the NBA campaign and I bet that Myles chops remember very well every piece of Domas body. Domas likes to go 100% any time he is on the court. We saw how easy Domas scored yesterday on Porzingis and had no problem containing him away from the basket. Meanwhile Myles' rebounding and shot-blocking looks much better now.
              In college Domas played one-on-one against Karnowski way past midnight, before Karno got injured. That benefited them both. I think Myles and Domas do the same. Domas told reporters that in OKC he used to bang with Adams, and many times he got pretty roughed up. Many of us who were in sports know that after official practice is over, guys work on what they need to. To have a good teammate of your position makes it more fun. I think Goga likes to drag around too
              Olympics will get canceled 100%

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DeS View Post
                As Sabonis is hunting new franchise (and other) records, I decided to make a separate thread for that.

                Tonight Sabonis made 50-th double-double and now he holds franchise single-season record.
                https://twitter.com/Pacers/status/1236806587693633537

                Another franchise record to break is the overall number of double-doubles. Sabonis has now 94 double-doubles. The next sub-records to beat are:
                1. T. Murphy - 103
                2. R. Hibbert - 108
                3. H. Williams - 151
                4. D. Davis - 164
                5. J. O'Neal - 243

                Most likely he will beat T. Murphy and R. Hibert numbers this year. Next season H. Williams and D. Davis records will fall. Until Sabonis contract will end - hopefully JO record will be beaten as well.
                Sabonis is a great Pacer player, no doubt about it but we need to specify that these are NOT franchise records that he is breaking. They are Pacer NBA records.

                Mel Daniels dominated in the ABA and is far and away the best Center the Pacers have ever had. Mel AVERAGED 19.4 points and 16.0 rebounds per game with the Pacers. I'm guessing that he had more than 50 double-doubles in a season. Mel played 479 games for the Pacers. He pretty much has to have well over 400 double-doubles for us and probably at or above 450.

                Also George McGinnis' first 4 seasons with the Pacers he averaged 16.9; 27.6; 25.9 and 29.8 points per game along with 9.7; 12.5; 15.0 and 14.3 rebounds per game. Again, he is bound to have had more than 50 double-doubles in a season. McGinnis played 314 games in those 4 seasons and 487 total for the Pacers. He almost certainly has more than the 243 of O'Neal.

                Then there is Bob Netolicky. In Neto's first 5 seasons he averaged 16.3; 18.9; 20.6; 18.8; and 15.1 points per game along with 11.5; 10.2; 10.7; 9.4 and 9.2 rebounds per game. Neto played 396 games in those 5 seasons. Most likely he is also well above the 243 double-doubles of O'Neal.
                Last edited by sav; 03-09-2020, 11:22 AM.

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                • #9
                  Tom Owens was an excellent passer as a big man. So good and so necessary to Jack McKinney's offense that he was worth trading the draft pick that could have selected Michael Jordan.

                  https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ns-This-Season



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                  Last edited by Downtown Bang!; 03-09-2020, 08:25 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sav View Post
                    Sabonis is a great Pacer player, no doubt about it but we need to specify that these are NOT franchise records that he is breaking. They are Pacer NBA records.
                    My bad - fixed
                    I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                    • #11
                      While I watched the ABA teams I was not really in a mature enough mindset to watch for skillsets like passing for Centers. I want to say that the game style was very much that when the ball went into the front court it stayed there - ball movement really focused on the wings.

                      I have lots of memories of the Pacers' ABA big men being monsters both on offense and defense in the paint, but I don't have a lot of memories of an in-and-out game.
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sav View Post

                        Sabonis is a great Pacer player, no doubt about it but we need to specify that these are NOT franchise records that he is breaking. They are Pacer NBA records.

                        Mel Daniels dominated in the ABA and is far and away the best Center the Pacers have ever had. Mel AVERAGED 19.4 points and 16.0 rebounds per game with the Pacers. I'm guessing that he had more than 50 double-doubles in a season. Mel played 479 games for the Pacers. He pretty much has to have well over 400 double-doubles for us and probably at or above 450.

                        Also George McGinnis' first 4 seasons with the Pacers he averaged 16.9; 27.6; 25.9 and 29.8 points per game along with 9.7; 12.5; 15.0 and 14.3 rebounds per game. Again, he is bound to have had more than 50 double-doubles in a season. McGinnis played 314 games in those 4 seasons and 487 total for the Pacers. He almost certainly has more than the 243 of O'Neal.

                        Then there is Bob Netolicky. In Neto's first 5 seasons he averaged 16.3; 18.9; 20.6; 18.8; and 15.1 points per game along with 11.5; 10.2; 10.7; 9.4 and 9.2 rebounds per game. Neto played 396 games in those 5 seasons. Most likely he is also well above the 243 double-doubles of O'Neal.
                        I'm glad someone else gets frustrated at the constant harping about Pacers all time records without any consideration to the ABA and the records they produced. The NBA actually now plays a similar style to the ABA. We should never forget or ignore the past.

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                        • #13
                          I am expecting to see Domas number in the rafters after 15 years of service and multiple championships. Domas will Make Pacers Great Again and then he will Keep Pacers Great forever.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Peck View Post

                            I can? I'm old but not that old. You'll need to address this to Bobby Mac, IndyGeezer or BillS. I actually did not start watching the Pacers until the very first year of the ABA NBA merger. Now I've read about them and seen video, but nothing live. However I will speak about NBA centers of the Pacers. Typically they have stunk over the years with a few exceptions. For whatever reason since we have joined the NBA our Centers have typically be horrid and I mean HORRID rebounders. Domas by far is the best rebounding center we have had. Foster was a decent rebounder but nowhere this level. Brad Miller was a good rebounder, but again not to this level. Roy had a couple of years where we all had to be proud of him for working so hard to be a good rebounder, but again not to this level. If you consider J.O. a center then he would have been as good. Dale was a power forward or he would count. Rik was an abysmal rebounder. James Edwards made Myles Turner look like Denis Rodman.

                            Passing? Nobody close really. Believe it or not Roy Hibbert would probably be the next best one.
                            My apologies to Peck. Thanks to BillS and Bobby Mac for their insights. I only saw ABA Pacers once in awhile on Channel 4. Never saw them live.
                            {o,o}
                            |)__)
                            -"-"-

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pimpis zajoba View Post
                              I am expecting to see Domas number in the rafters after 15 years of service and multiple championships. Domas will Make Pacers Great Again and then he will Keep Pacers Great forever.
                              Last season for the Pacers - Domas will be a player and a head coach. Domas can't live without the basketball, even now we see how he directs defense and offense, talks to his teammamtes what plays to run (when opposing team shoots free throws). One Championship is not enough. Two - OK. That would fit "multiple" category.
                              Edit: "after 15+ years of service"
                              12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                              Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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