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  • #76
    [QUOTE=Look here is a dirty little secret as well. Before Vic went down last year he wasn't doing all that swell either./QUOTE]

    Agreed

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    • #77
      Well Either Vic needs to start making like around 35-40 percent shots he takes or he needs to shoot less so that we don't waste as many possesions. It didnt help that Lamb and Brogdon had pretty bad game either. Essentially our guards were useless.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by GizzyStardust View Post
        This feels like the first three game of the season all over again, which f***ing sucked. Hang on, boys. It's going to be a bumpy ride for a while. Hopefully, we come out the other side a better team for it.
        yeah...thats's how i feel as well...

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        • #79
          Victor 3-22 from the field so far. If he keeps doing this its going to **** the other guys off.

          Being rusty isn't an excuse for being a ballhog and taking really dumb shots.

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          Last edited by pacers_heath; 02-02-2020, 06:19 AM.
          Lifelong pacers fan

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          • #80
            Vic needs to go watch his games from the 17-18 season. Completely different game from what we've seen so far. And maybe he shouldn't rely on the 3 so much. 50% of his shots this year have been 3s. In 17-18 it was around 33%.

            Hopefully, it's just getting re-acclimated to the game, his teammates, etc . . . . I just hope he's not going Westbrook on us.

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            • #81
              Give Vic 5 games before you start crapping on him too hard - he missed over a year. The team will figure it out.
              "man, PG has been really good."

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              • #82
                Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
                Myles averages 7 rebounds per game, he grabs 6 tonight

                Domas averaged 13 rebounds per game, he grabs 8 tonight

                OMG!!! Myles sucks!!!!! It is his fault we got killed on the boards!!! Bunch of NBA experts in here
                Just because he rebounded close to his average doesn't mean he sucks any less at rebounding. Also he doesn't average 7 rebounds per game, he averages right at 6. And he gets blamed because he needs to get more rebounds in general.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
                  Give Vic 5 games before you start crapping on him too hard - he missed over a year. The team will figure it out.
                  No one is Crapping on him dude. I am just saying we cannot afford to loose thos many possesions otherwise we will be losing to teams like Knicks all the time. Vic just needs to stop pushing it this hard and tune it down on ballhogging since his shot is obviously off. We have plenty of time. No need to be taking 14 shots when you can make only 2.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
                    You're subbing in a rusty Oladipo for Aaron Holiday who is in the 99th percentile in shooting the basketball. This is to be expected until Oladipo gets back up to game speed.
                    Of what?! The general population?

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                      Oh, and the argument about JJJ playing alongside JV? Well, Myles plays alongside Domas. Lithuanians just gobble up boards, what can you do about that?
                      Move to Lithuania?
                      JV is one f the best defensive rebounders. Myles could watch some tape how 7 footers fight for the defensive rebounds. Box out, jump timely, with the extended arms, protect the ball. Simple. Memhis plays very fast paced basketball. Guys fly on the court after defensive stops. Pacers play differently and I like Pacers style much better. When Memphis has JV on the floor - that's a towering 7 footer who most likely will get a rebound. Meanwhile 2-3 guys already run down the floor.
                      Myles right now doesn't have good timing nor he is strong enough to box out. That's for sure worrisome. Timing - is one of the fundamentals. A player either has it or not. Boxing out - that's just the result of hard training. Myles right now can't manage that too.

                      12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                      Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Peck View Post
                        This game wasn't about one player, at least to me anyway. This is about a system, a system that just absolutely stagnates when our mid range jumpers aren't falling. For whatever reason the past two games Malcolm Brogdon has decided that he won't be involved in driving to the paint until sometime in the second half. We start every single game the same way. Myles loses the tip (I'm sorry but he does, how many jump balls has the guy won this season it feels like 3 tops) and then once we get a shot at offense our initial offense is to literally post Sabonis and let him work 1 on 3 to get whatever he can. Then after that first initial offensive run we then begin our main offensive thrust of high pick and roll. Now don't get me wrong the majority of the NBA does this but our starters outside of whoever is working the pick and roll (Sabonis/Brogdon) just do not move off of the ball all that much. Now it is different when the bench comes in because McDermott, Tall Holiday and McConnell all move without the ball and if Sabonis is in he typically initiates a lot of the offense.

                        I'm just saying we need a new wrinkle to add to our offensive arsenal that's all.

                        Look here is a dirty little secret as well. Before Vic went down last year he wasn't doing all that swell either. Now I think we all can feel comfortable blaming it on a sore knee and let's just hope that what we are seeing now is him forcing the issue and it will eventually get better which I believe it will.

                        But rebounding is and has been one of our main problems all year.

                        Also while I love Tall Holiday there is just no way that guy can cover either Morris twin over the long run. A spot or two here or there? Sure but not be the full time defender on him. They are both filthy jump shooters and they are a good 3 inches taller than him and can get off a shot without batting an eye.
                        That's what I see too.

                        Need couple more wrinkles for the starters. Right now we pray that Dipo some time in the future will be back to normal. that would be a very good wrinkle
                        12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                        Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                        • #87
                          The offense with the starting unit sucks because of the “twin towers” bs the quickest they scratch that the better.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            The offense with the starting unit sucks because of the “twin towers” bs the quickest they scratch that the better.
                            Don't blame the twin towers. They were the top scorers. If anyone gets blame it's Oladipo. He is shooting too much and not within the flow of the offense. He has had some good passes though.

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                            • #89
                              Sigh, the team looked tired. Domas looked tired. Even with that being an issue we win the game if we hit 50% of our OPEN shots. Next game.
                              Go Pacers!

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                              • #90
                                Vic’s taking great shots; he’s just missing them.

                                Pre injury he jumped high on his shots, during rehab he was probably jumping a little or not jumping at all, and now he’s jumping higher again. That will take more than two games to get adjusted to.

                                Literally, the big three he hit against Chicago was a low jumping shot, just like he’s been practicing.

                                He’ll get adjusted.
                                Last edited by imawhat; 02-02-2020, 12:09 PM.

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