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The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

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  • #31
    Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

    I LOVE THIS TEAM

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    • #32
      Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

      The Pacers had 12 steals, led by three from Tinsley.

      Last year they averaged only about 7 per game.
      And I won't be here to see the day
      It all dries up and blows away
      I'd hang around just to see
      But they never had much use for me
      In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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      • #33
        Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

        Originally posted by Putnam View Post
        The Pacers had 12 steals, led by three from Tinsley.

        Last year they averaged only about 7 per game.
        If only we could play New Orleans every night.
        This space for rent.

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        • #34
          Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

          Cynicism FTW!

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          • #35
            Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

            That is a winning box score, hopefully it translates to the regular season minus some turnovers and a lower defensive shooting percentage.

            Nine guys scoring between 7 and 19. Seven guys between 9-14

            The 10th guy was Deiner who has 5 assists and no turnovers.

            Nine guys registering an assist.

            I can't wait to watch them Wednesday.

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            • #36
              Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

              Originally posted by Mal View Post
              Cynicism FTW!
              I don't think I'm cynical. I'm excited about the three wins (meaningless or not) and excited about the individual and team improvements made over the summer (even if I wanted more). But the fact that we had more steals in this game than we averaged last year is not a big deal. That's what an average means... sometimes we get more than the average, sometimes we get less. I'm sure we had games last year where we got 13 steals, and I'm sure those games were more likely to be against bottom-tier teams like New Orleans than they were against Detroit.

              So far (and including last night) we've gotten 21 steals in 3 games. That means we're averaging 7 a game, right where we were last year.

              I'm not knocking the win. But getting 13 steals against a dysfunctional team doesn't mean we'll do it against anyone else. It's not an indicator of future performance.
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              • #37
                Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                I'm not knocking the win. But getting 13 steals against a dysfunctional team doesn't mean we'll do it against anyone else. It's not an indicator of future performance.

                I agree with everything Anthem says ^^^^^^.

                I just would add that the Pacers' pattern has often been losing to weak opponents, and putting up good stats in losing efforts. So it's good to see them pull it together, regardless of the opponent.

                I wasn't aiming for post of the year with the "12 steals" comment, just noting something good that hadn't been mentioned yet.

                And Anthem, it I had a dime for everytime at work I've pointed out (as you do) the fallacy that an average equals a prediction of future performance, I'd buy you a four-way at Skyline.
                Last edited by Putnam; 10-16-2007, 09:32 AM.
                And I won't be here to see the day
                It all dries up and blows away
                I'd hang around just to see
                But they never had much use for me
                In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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                • #38
                  Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                  What Anthem just said is why I started the "cakewalk" thread to discuss that issue. Not to go negative, just to discuss how much we'll be able to read on this team's chances from this schedule.

                  It would be the same for any roster. Say it's the Magic's schedule, does Redick going off on the depleated Miami roster mean JJ is ready to be a big NBA star? And if so then doesn't that make Orlando better than Indiana when paired with Howard, Nelson, Lewis and Turk?


                  On the game, the big thing I notice is the fouls and points per shot. Drastically different than last game, for the better that is. Really tough to see a definite theme even between the 2 NO games at this point however.


                  I'm with Cable on Ike. I did see Ike just a few nights ago and he looked nothing like a confident and aware player capable of a solid 7-7 night. I mean he was really behind the 8 ball vs Seattle, then this outing shows up.


                  3-0, good starts from Dun in a couple of games, some good play from Troy. If you took the time to read my post about the CBS predictions for Indy then you might have seen the end where I pointed out that his big miss last year was the Warriors (he had them for 18 wins, which even pre-trade was way off).

                  Well last year they went 5-0 before losing their final preseason game, and Dun was a big part of that. This led into his brilliant NOV, primarily from 3, which then fell apart in DEC and ended with him being traded.

                  I don't know if this is a good or bad sign. They did stay around .500 which would be pretty good to me right now.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                    One thing about Ike - he can score, I mean he can really score the ball if teams don't double team him or if they don't have a taller guy on him. Most teams crowd him quite a bit and he struggles, but if he can get just a little bit of room he can excel.

                    Seth the schedule means very little if anything in the preseason. Look at the Heat with all their injuries they are maybe the worst team in the preseason right now, but if you didn't know about their injuries, you would say they are one of the better teams in the NBA.

                    In other words if the Pacers were playing the Suns, Spurs, Mavs and Celts twice each in the preseason and if the Pacers were 3-0 at this point and even finished at 8-0 - IO wouldn't thinbk any different. In fact veteran teams often are horrible in the preseason just. often really good teams aren't very good in the preseason - (Colts).

                    All you can judge in the preseason is how your team is doing. Thus far it appears the pacers have played fairly well in the preseason in games that mean nothing.
                    Last edited by Unclebuck; 10-16-2007, 10:07 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                      I think its not the wins or losses that needs to be looked at during the preseason...not the stats of the players as to how many points a certain individual has racked up but to check out the overall team play offense and defensively as well.

                      Last few years there were so many instances where certain players did not know where they should be standing during the set play and Jamaal had to coach them their location.

                      Are things more in sync on the offense?

                      How is the team defense? I mean i doubt we are playing with the pressure as if we are trying to keep teams down in the low 80s...but overall speaking is it looking more functional? Have you noticed a difference as to how players are approaching to various types of plays from the opposition?

                      I can't provide any answers cause I've yet to listen/watch a preseason game due to my location/work/etc...so I'm all ears/eyes to see your responses

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                      • #41
                        Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                        Yeah, Ike has what David doesn't, Ike can get into the low post position well and accept the ball in a clean, timely fashion. One big reason why David isn't unstoppable in the post is because he often can't get going in the first place. He either has to start out of position or can't get the ball at all.

                        If David starts clean in the low post he's pretty tough, but even then Ike still has some tricky moves to make the most out of his lesser size.

                        I don't like Ike's passing or his defense, at least up till now, but his low post offense is why he's in the NBA and still considered a prospect rather than a bust.


                        Seth the schedule means very little if anything in the preseason. Look at the Heat with all their injuries they are maybe the worst team in the preseason right now, but if you didn't know about their injuries
                        This is unfair, you've mixed two issues. Injuries make a schedule meaningless ALL THE TIME, just ask the Wizards about their final month or playoff schedule last year (or should I say ask the team's facing them).

                        In fact you bringing up the Heat makes my point instead, you adjust your reaction to a player's success based on the challenges he faced in reaching it. This is universally true for all competitive sports.

                        Why me pointing it out here was met with such outrage makes no sense, it seems irrational to me. Certainly it's not a bad thing to temper the glee of a win in NO with the idea that it's preseason or that they simply don't provide the same challenge as Detroit or Chicago do.

                        More than that, I would like the team to face some challenges simply so they can improve. Going up against weaker players/teams does them no good when the W-L record isn't on the line.

                        They didn't pad the schedule obviously, it's just how it fell out. But I refuse to be bullied off the idea of keeping a grain of salt on this preseason.


                        And as I pointed out before, the NBA isn't the NFL. Someone tried to say that the stars don't even play, when in fact they certainly do. They won't play a full game, they might sit one of the nights, but Kobe, Melo, Lebron, Dirk, Nash, et al are showing up for 20-25 minutes a game and trying to be at least marginally successful.

                        No way that Tins vs Bobby Jackson is the same test that Tins vs Nash is, preseason or otherwise. Judging how the team is doing....against other teams, you left that last part out.

                        This isn't an open floor shootaround or skills challenge. When you say a guy had a good night, like Ike for example, it means against someone else. Well if that someone else stinks then how good a measure is it?

                        I don't even get how this is a debate really. It's okay to say "hey, this ain't the best measuring stick but at least how it measures things they appear good". The aversion to admitting that the team hasn't been challenged yet as far as we can tell is odd.

                        Also if vet teams and really good teams are often horrible in preseason, then how can we be excited about the Pacers being "good"? Isn't that the same dilemma?

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                        • #42
                          Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          If only we could play New Orleans every night.
                          New Orleans is actually gonna be really good, IMO. 07-08 Hornets are the 06-07 Jazz.

                          CP
                          Mo Pete
                          Peja
                          David West
                          Tyson Chandler

                          That's one of the best 1-5 starting lineups in the league if they all stay healthy.

                          Their bench isn't stellar, but not horrible.

                          Bobby Jackson (who while getting old is still instant offense)
                          Julian Wright (one of the more NBA ready players that came out)
                          Rasual Butler (can score)
                          Hilton Armstrong (solid interior defender)
                          Melvin Ely (ditto)
                          Pargo (servicable)

                          If Julian can step up or they can find one other solid front-court player somewhere, I could see them finding a 6-seed out West.
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                          • #43
                            Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                            I'm not optimistic because of the record or the box score. Or because we're playing the spurs or the Indiana school for the blind.

                            I'm optimistic because I can easily superimpose what what I saw from the first two games onto what I know from a lifetime of watching regular season games. It doesn't take much imagination to see the difference in "approach" and the difference in how individuals are handling their responsibilities.

                            I'm optimistic because I believe the Pacers have a good chance of playing competitive basketball in the regular season. That may mean only a .500 season, and frankly I don't care. I think the core of the team is fairly well built and we have exactly the perfect coaching staff to maximize their potential.

                            I know this because I'm watching the team get up and down the floor, I'm watch them make decisions, I'm watching them share the ball. It doesn't take a genius to see these kind of improvements after only two games, even if they are just glorified scrimmages.
                            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                            • #44
                              Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                              Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                              I'm not optimistic because of the record or the box score. Or because we're playing the spurs or the Indiana school for the blind.

                              I'm optimistic because I can easily superimpose what what I saw from the first two games onto what I know from a lifetime of watching regular season games. It doesn't take much imagination to see the difference in "approach" and the difference in how individuals are handling their responsibilities.
                              Which is fine with me, and I've never disagreed with that. I was specifically talking about the number of steals being above average.
                              This space for rent.

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                              • #45
                                Re: The Official Game 3 Post-Game Thread... Pacers Win!

                                Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                                And Anthem, it I had a dime for everytime at work I've pointed out (as you do) the fallacy that an average equals a prediction of future performance, I'd buy you a four-way at Skyline.
                                Skyline FTW!

                                You ever order a four-way "inverted"? It's awesome, insiders-only lingo. It means you put the cheese above the noodles but below the sauce, making the cheese melt down into the noodles. Awesome.
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