The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Turner-Sabonis Tandem Finding Footing

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  • Turner-Sabonis Tandem Finding Footing

    It was overshadowed by Malcolm Brogdon's rust-shedding return and T.J. McConnell's sneak-attack, falling-down, crowd-pleasing hustle play, but it was a revealing moment in the Pacers' victory on Monday: Myles Turner had a play called for him to get a shot in the first quarter.

    It doesn't sound like much, but it reflected a significant element of the Pacers' season, both to this point one game short of the midpoint and going forward toward the playoffs. The fact Turner had to have a play called for him by coach Nate McMillan spoke to the sacrifice he's made in the offense. The fact he hit the shot spoke to his improving comfort in a limited offensive role.

    "It is what it is at this point," Turner said following Tuesday's practice at Bankers Life Fieldhouse. "I know I'm not going to get as many shots, but I have to make the shots I do get count."

    That should not be construed as a complaint. Turner's tone of voice, body language and, most of all, performance, indicate he's accepting his role. No kid grows up dreaming of becoming a role player, but nearly every successful team seems to have one — the player who doesn't get as many scoring opportunities as most teammates but contributes to the cause in less glamorous ways.
    Turner had only touched the ball four times when the first timeout of the game against Philadelphia was called with 6:31 left, and only one of those came at the offensive end. He took a pass from Domantas Sabonis behind the 3-point line with about nine minutes left and immediately passed it Brogdon. Other than that, he was setting picks or standing on the weakside waiting for a possible ball reversal.

    McMillan recognized Turner's inactivity and drew up a play for him during the timeout. On the Pacers' first possession after the break, Turner posted Al Horford 15 feet from the basket on the left wing, took a bounce pass from Brogdon, took two quick dribbles into the lane, faked, and hit a turnaround jump shot.

    McMillan said Tuesday what he's been saying all season, that he's not attempting to get anybody more involved in the offense, but rather is just letting it play out based on the defense. But he did acknowledge making a point of getting Turner a shot in that situation.

    "We definitely do that, if guys haven't gotten a touch or a look: try to run something to get them an attempt," he said. "I try to do that for all of our guys."

    Halfway through Turner's fifth NBA season, he's superficially stuck in neutral. He's averaging 12.9 points on 45.5 percent shooting, including 35 percent from the 3-point line. Those percentages are down slightly from last season, as is his blocked shots average. His best offensive season remains his second one, when, as a 20-year-old ordering non-alcoholic drinks he averaged 14.5 points and shot 51 percent from the field.
    He played more minutes and got up more shots then than now, however. He was the third option in the offense behind Paul George and Jeff Teague that season, and was just barely behind Teague. Now he takes the fewest shots among the starters, averaging 10 per game. Six players average more shots than him on a per-minute basis.

    One couldn't blame him for being frustrated, particularly after his 27-point outing at Chicago last Friday when he became the focal point of the offense with Sabonis and Brogdon sitting out.

    "Nah," Turner said. "It can't be. It could very well be for some people, but I can't look at it that way. With my role on this team right now it's different than it's been in the past. I've accepted it.

    "I went through some spots where I was frustrated at the beginning of the season but when you're winning it's easy to follow suit. When things are working there's not much to complain about."
    Winning helps, indeed. The Pacers won 45, 42, 48, and 48 games in Turner's first four seasons. This time around they are on pace to win 51 despite what fairly qualifies as an injury-plagued season. Victor Oladipo has missed every game. Brogdon has missed 12 games. Lamb has missed 11. Turner has missed eight. Sabonis has missed three.

    Oladipo's impending return will require a new adjustment period but brings the potential for major improvement that could bring something Turner has never experienced: homecourt advantage in the first round of the playoffs.

    Turner — who was by far the last player off the practice court Tuesday after working on the various shots he gets in the offense — describes the Pacers as "still searching a little bit" on offense. But they appear to be getting closer to what they hope to find. Oladipo's return will advance that process, as will Turner's ongoing adjustment to playing with Sabonis. Their pairing remains a work in progress but has been successful so far — they have played in 31 games together for an average of 19.4 minutes and the Pacers are plus-2.4 points in those minutes.

    Best of all for the Pacers, they are better than that since mid-December. Following the loss to the Clippers on Dec. 11 in which Turner failed to score in double figures for a third consecutive game, he has averaged 15 points on 48.5 percent shooting in 16 games. He's scored 10 points or more in each of those games but two and had nine in both exceptions.

    It is what it is, sure. But what it is lately has been good.

    "He's learning how to play it," Sabonis said. "We kind of struggled at first trying to get used to it, but I think he's happy now and he's confident playing with me."
    While much has been made of Turner and Sabonis starting together the past couple of seasons, the more relevant issue is whether they finish (close) games together. McMillan has done that more often lately, such as in the win over the Sixers. They were on the court for the final 5 minutes, 17 seconds, aside from a two-second blip with 11.6 seconds left when Sabonis was subbed out for matchup purposes.

    Turner in particular came up big down the stretch. He made a heads-up cut to the basket to take an inbound pass and draw a foul with 1:41 left, and hit both foul shots to give the Pacers a one-point lead. He also grabbed three rebounds in the final 50 seconds.

    Both he and Sabonis finished with double-doubles.

    "I think we're producing pretty good," Turner said. "I like the end of the game lineups when we're both in at the same time. It gives us a big boost and it's only going to get better the more experience we get."

    It remains to be seen how Oladipo's return impacts the Pacers, including the Turner-Sabonis combo platter. He'll get shots, obviously, and take scoring opportunities from some, if not all, of the starters. But he'll also create scoring opportunities for teammates with his ability to get to the basket and draw defenders.

    Turner might get more shots as a result. Or, he might get less. The bottom line of analysis will be the won-lost record and playoff outcome.

    "I don't think anybody thought we would have the record we have this year (with all the injuries)," Sabonis said. "I feel like once the whole starting lineup is together, that's when we really have a chance of gelling together."

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    I can see progress. Turner seems more comfortable. I like that stat that was quoted about the last 16 games...Turner is averaging 15 ppg. I don't expect him to stay at 15 ppg, especially with Vic returning but there is no reason why he can not consistently score 12-15 ppg. He has also been raising his rebound average. Not long ago he was at 5.7 per game, he is now at 6.2 per game.

    The key thing to look at is his defensive rebounding. That should be equal to or greater than his career average. His offensive rebounds will be less since he is playing farther away from the basket.