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  • Putnam
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    • Mar 2006
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    Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>



    The last time Danny Granger played in New Orleans he scored more than 30 points in a playoff loss during his senior year at Grace King High School.

    Six years, two universities and two NBA seasons later, Granger is returning to his hometown tonight when the Indiana Pacers take on the New Orleans Hornets. And he's returning as a significant part of the Pacers.
    "I'm pumped about it," said Granger, whose high school got 300 tickets for the game. "One week is the longest that I've been back to New Orleans since I got to the NBA. The city has been different since (Hurricane) Katrina."

    Granger is heading back home with a refreshed attitude after two seasons of changing roles.

    One minute, Granger was the bright-eyed rookie backing up Ron Artest. The next he was thrust into the starting lineup after Artest was traded. Then it was back to the bench on the offensive-loaded starting lineup early last season, to finally being counted on to defend the opposing team's best perimeter player and be a scoring threat after the eight-player trade in January.

    Granger acknowledges his increased role last season took a toll, saying he "hit a wall" by the end of the season. He told coach Jim O'Brien during their initial meeting that he didn't prepare to be one of the team's go-to players. Granger led the team in minutes played and was second in scoring last season.

    "It really was overwhelming," Granger said. "I got tired from it and my body was hurting. I had to score and I also had to guard people like Carmelo (Anthony), (Dwyane) Wade and LeBron (James). I'm ready for it this year."

    With his expectations so high, Granger conditioned himself to where he can be effective on both ends of the court.
    "Whenever anybody is open-minded about the shortcomings they've had in the past, I think you'll see growth," O'Brien said. "I don't think it'll be a breakout year for Danny, and I don't mean that to be negative; I expect him to have a really strong year, but he also has the type of mentality that he's going to be improving his game for many, many years to come."

    The one thing Granger, who is listed as the Pacers' starting shooting guard, doesn't want to do is stand behind the 3-point line and become shot happy. He did at times last season. He wants to use his athleticism to get to the basket, which should later free him for open jumpers.
    O'Brien said the Pacers' offense, based off constant movement and screens, will help Granger avoid camping out on the perimeter.

    "He saw (Wednesday against New Orleans) that Mike Dunleavy got some really good opportunities at the basket and our offense is symmetrical that everything you see one wing do, the other wing has that ability to do things. In our passing game we attempt to keep the low post area open to take advantage of having fairly tall wing players."

    Having to be depended on to score shouldn't be a problem for Granger because O'Brien said you'll be able to "throw a blanket" over Granger, Dunleavy, Marquis Daniels and Jamaal Tinsley's statistics because all four players are capable double-digit scorers.

    "I don't really look at it as where (Granger) is," O'Brien said. "I know he can score and I view everybody as being able to put up quality numbers on any given night. It might be a different guy every night."
    Injury update: Daniels is doubtful for tonight's game with a bruised left knee, which is not similar to the injury he suffered last season.


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  • Dr. Goldfoot
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    Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

    He's listed as the starting shooting guard? Granger is one of the few things I'm not at least a little concerned about on this team.
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    • Putnam
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      • Mar 2006
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      Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

      I wanted to get this up so I could ask a question about the following statement:

      Originally posted by Coach Jim O'Brien
      I view everybody s being able to put up quality numbers on any gi8ven night. It might be a different guy every night."

      Do others see this as a very positive sign? I do.

      Jermaine will always be called the "first option" and there will be discussions about who the second and third options are. There's no harm in that.

      But O'Brien seems to be promising an offense that is going to have five men on the floor and know how to use them all. The other team can take away something from our offense, but they can never take away everything.
      And I won't be here to see the day
      It all dries up and blows away
      I'd hang around just to see
      But they never had much use for me
      In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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      • bellisimo
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        • Apr 2006
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        Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

        Originally posted by Putnam
        I wanted to get this up so I could ask a question about the following statement:




        Do others see this as a very positive sign? I do.

        Jermaine will always be called the "first option" and there will be discussions about who the second and third options are. There's no harm in that.

        But O'Brien seems to be promising an offense that is going to have five men on the floor and know how to use them all. The other team can take away something from our offense, but they can never take away everything.
        The important thing is that everyone is able to click on a regular basis. I would hate to see one of these guys come to play and do well only to see the rest of the team struggle...which is something we've all seen at various times...

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        • bellisimo
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          • Apr 2006
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          Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

          Originally posted by Putnam
          http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...TS04/710150345

          Injury update: Daniels is doubtful for tonight's game with a bruised left knee, which is not similar to the injury he suffered last season.
          another one bites the dust...

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          • Anthem
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            • Jan 2004
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            Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

            I don't want Granger as our starting shooting guard.

            If Dun has to play the 3, let's move Granger for a good guard.

            He'll never reach his potential at 2.
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            • sweabs

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              Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

              Originally posted by Anthem
              I don't want Granger as our starting shooting guard.

              If Dun has to play the 3, let's move Granger for a good guard.

              He'll never reach his potential at 2.
              Maybe I'm thinking of another coach, but weren't some people around here saying that the 2 and 3 spots are very much interchangeable within Jim O'Brien's offense?

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              • JayRedd
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                • May 2006
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                Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

                Originally posted by rcarey
                Maybe I'm thinking of another coach, but weren't some people around here saying that the 2 and 3 spots are very much interchangeable within Jim O'Brien's offense?
                I believe it was the 3 and 4 were supposedly interchangable, although I'm not sure that should actually be the case all the time.

                Yes, he operated that way in Boston...but he also had one of the best ballhandling PFs of all time in Antoine, as well as corner-trey extraordinaire, Rodney Rogers. It never worked out so well in Philly, and although I, a.) am not an X's and O's expert, and b) didn't watch too too much of that 04-05 Sixers squad, my guess is that he couldn't have possibly stuck to that interchangableness (it's a word) theory all the time.

                Murphy and Shawne are, of course, much better suited to be "SFish" than anyone he had on that Sixer roster, but I'm still not particularly on board with these guys (Ike too) positioned, spaced and moving in the same way that Danny, Dunleavy and Quis are.

                I know he's not going to change his entire offensive philosphy just cause of the personnel, but he also shouldn't try to shoehorn certain personnel into a position where they have no chance to succeed.

                Yet, I guess the rub is that I'm not sure how you combine the two notions in terms of putting an actual consistent offense on the floor for 82 games and utilize PFs who won't be effective playing like SFs (I'm looking at you Ike). And does this mean you can't play Foster and JO at the same time?

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                • avoidingtheclowns
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                  • Jul 2006
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                  Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

                  Originally posted by rcarey
                  Maybe I'm thinking of another coach, but weren't some people around here saying that the 2 and 3 spots are very much interchangeable within Jim O'Brien's offense?
                  actually i've seen players say (in various articles... and actually i think dunleavy mentioned it on the radio) that 2 & 3 are interchangeable. i would add the 4 in there as far as obrien's system goes. essentially with obrien you've got a 4-1... 1 PG and 3 wings with someone inside. the three wings if they do their part on defense won't necessarily be confined to traditional SG, SF, PF roles. that being said, lets hope that stays true outside of simply theory.
                  Last edited by avoidingtheclowns; 10-15-2007, 12:06 PM.
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                  • Speed
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                    • Jan 2006
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                    Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

                    The big question is who guards the good 2s of the league?

                    I mean the answer is gonna be what we've known, DG guards the better 2 or 3 on the other team.

                    So DG gets Richard Hamilton, but also gets Lebron, he gets D Wade, I mean it works out kinda, but screws DG into guarding guys who can outquick him, but its better than Dunleavy guarding Arenas.

                    NJ is another story, I guess Dunleavy has to guard either Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter, (cringing).

                    I mean once we get into the good teams, it will be really tough to not get killed by this and its hard to see a way to get around it.

                    I mean is it good idea that DG is the primary defender against Arenas, D Wade, Ray Allen, Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, and Micheal Redd, but then I think well its better than Dunleavy doing it.
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                    • JayRedd
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                      • May 2006
                      • 12150

                      #11
                      Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

                      Originally posted by Speed
                      NJ is another story, I guess Dunleavy has to guard either Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter, (cringing).
                      You hit the nail on the head here. Perimeter D is still our most glaring weakness, IMO.

                      And it's really gonna get exposed against teams with two stud perimeter guys like NJ (RJ and Half-A-Season), Boston (Truth and Jesus Shuttlesworth), ChiTown (Luol and Lil Ben), Dallas (Josh and JET), DC (Zero and Caron) and San Antone (Frenchy and Manu).

                      If Quis and Danny are on the floor together we're not too too bad, but otherwise it's a trainwreck out there and at least one of these guys is able to get anywhere on the court he wants with the ball at literally any time.

                      Of every thing about this new season, the thing I'm probably most eager to see* is if Dickie Harter can mask the natural flaws we have in this area.


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                      • Los Angeles
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                        • Nov 2004
                        • 9640

                        #12
                        Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

                        Originally posted by Speed
                        The big question is who guards the good 2s of the league?

                        I mean the answer is gonna be what we've known, DG guards the better 2 or 3 on the other team.

                        So DG gets Richard Hamilton, but also gets Lebron, he gets D Wade, I mean it works out kinda, but screws DG into guarding guys who can outquick him, but its better than Dunleavy guarding Arenas.

                        NJ is another story, I guess Dunleavy has to guard either Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter, (cringing).

                        I mean once we get into the good teams, it will be really tough to not get killed by this and its hard to see a way to get around it.

                        I mean is it good idea that DG is the primary defender against Arenas, D Wade, Ray Allen, Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, and Micheal Redd, but then I think well its better than Dunleavy doing it.
                        The biggest retort that could be used here is that nobody in the league can guard these guys. Yes, we'll pressure them as best we can with Granger and Quis, but in the end these players score at will against just about anybody except for the truly elite perimeter defenders of the league (Bowen, Artest, etc).

                        Hanging our hat on Granger becoming THAT good of a defender seems to be folly.

                        One of the things I've always loved about Danny is that he is a good all-around player, not a specialist. We should let Danny be Danny and when it comes to playing against the best players in the league, we need to let the chips fall where they may.
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                        • Los Angeles
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                          • Nov 2004
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                          Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

                          Oh, and what JayRedd said.
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                          • jcouts
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                            • Mar 2005
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                            The difference is, with this team, you're going to see a much different defensive strategy put together when players like Lebron, Wade and Melo are on the court against the Pacers.

                            Dick Harter is a team-defense genius and you will see not Danny vs. Lebron, not Danny vs. Wade, not Danny vs. Melo, but the Pacers vs. Lebron, the Pacers vs Wade and the Pacers vs Melo. If anyone doesn't buy it, watch the Pacers series against Chicago in the ECF. Reggie Miller guarding Michael Jordan? Chris Mullin guarding Scottie Pippen? Michael Jordan missing 7 straight shots and looking more frustrated than he's ever been outside of the Palace? Scottie Pippen shooting 39% for the series? It took me re-watching those games to remember just how good Harter is at building team defensive schemes. I've included some stats from the 1998 playoffs, that aren't intended to show that we were BETTER than anyone else on defense, necessarily against SGs or SFs, but that we were NO WORSE than anyone else (with us not having a defensive specialist at SG or SF or PG) and still managed to push the Bulls to the brink of defeat, giving them more problems than the Jazz did in the NBA finals. We were a championship caliber team that year with Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin as our starting defenders at the 1-3.

                            Pacers vs. Jordan
                            Jordan averaged 32 ppg throughout the 1998 playoffs. He averaged 31.7 ppg vs the Pacers over 7 games, on average going 11-24 from the field and 9-11 from the line. He averaged 36 PPG on 53% shooting against the Nets, 29.6 PPG on 46% shooting against the Hornets and 33.5 PPG on 43% shooting against the Jazz in the finals. He fared no better against the Pacers than he did against anyone else in the playoffs. Kendall Gill was considered an above average defender at the time, as was Bobby Phills and Bryon Russell/Shandon Anderson. Jordan saw no less than 3 different defenders each game from the Pacers (Reggie, Jalen, McKey) and often had Mullin, Best or Jackson in his face in addition to those 3 (depending on whomever the least effective 3 pt shooter in the PG, SF position was at the time). None of those players mentioned were ever All NBA Defensive team honors. It wasn't Reggie vs. Jordan, it was Jordan vs. the Pacers.

                            Pacers vs. Pippen
                            Pippen averaged 18 ppg on 44% shooting against NJ, 17.8 ppg on 44% shooting against Charlotte, 15.7 ppg on 41% shooting against the Jazz and 16.6 ppg on 39% shooting against the Pacers. The starting SF for the Pacers was Chris Mullin. I don't recall Mullin ever being on the All NBA Defensive team.

                            Pacers vs. Allan Houston
                            Allan Houston averaged 23.2 PPG against Miami and only 19 against the Pacers, shooting 43% against Miami and 44% against the Pacers. He shot 4-14 in the one game that New York won against the Pacers in that series. In that game, the Pacers had only 2 players score in double figures, while the Knicks had 6.

                            Pacers vs. John Starks
                            John Starks averaged 16.8 PPG against Miami and only 16 against the Pacers, shooting 51% against Miami and only 44% against the Pacers.

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                            • JayRedd
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                              Re: Refreshed Granger ready for new season <IndyStar>

                              Great stuff, jcouts.

                              Let's hope Harter can get us back to that level.
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