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  • #31
    We have so many key players injured. As of right now, 80% (assuming Lamb will start of Warren) of our starting line up is injured. I really hope that we're getting these injuries out of the way and we have a healthy team
    "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

      I think Turner is the actual opposite of players that you described in category C. He is so much like George Hill or Derrick McKey. All those players got criticized greatly because of their hesitancy. They only did the things they were good at, and they were super afraid of making mistakes.

      That made them all very efficient players, but people were frustrated that they were missing something. But they fit well on teams that didn't ask them to do more than what they were good at.
      The issue with Turner is that he cannot be a role player. Role players don't have prominent holes in their games. Turner is called upon to man the middle yet he gets overpowered in the paint. He also lacks court awareness so guys get around him. In part that's because he goes after blocks, not to pad stats or anything but because that's what he thinks makes him good. THAT is not a role player. A role player doesn't make mistakes or not many of them. Also, most important is that Turner hurts ball movement. He thinks too much and too slowly. He doesn't pass or play instinctively. THAT is not a role player. A role player is able to function without taking away from what the team is trying to accomplish. These are reasons why Turner has to be either an A or a C. And he's NOT an A..

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      • #33
        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

        The issue with Turner is that he cannot be a role player. Role players don't have prominent holes in their games. Turner is called upon to man the middle yet he gets overpowered in the paint. He also lacks court awareness so guys get around him. In part that's because he goes after blocks, not to pad stats or anything but because that's what he thinks makes him good. THAT is not a role player. A role player doesn't make mistakes or not many of them. Also, most important is that Turner hurts ball movement. He thinks too much and too slowly. He doesn't pass or play instinctively. THAT is not a role player. A role player is able to function without taking away from what the team is trying to accomplish. These are reasons why Turner has to be either an A or a C. And he's NOT an A..
        I disagree with you on the guys getting around him comment. There was a reason the Pacers were elite at stopping drives last year, and that was for a large part on Turner. And IIRC, the putbacks are mostly a myth, they happen but no more than any other team.

        Now as far as post defense? Absolutely agree with you there. And a slow decision maker on offense? Agree there as well. You can have a role player with that profile though, you just have to use them in places where they have to make less decisions. Typically that's in the corner, but it doesn't have to be.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by festar35 View Post

          Sabonis needs to diversify his scoring so we can go to him late in games. Chandler was able to absorb the contact on his drives so he didn't really clear any space when he got to the hoop. That right hand hook is looking more comfortable, but he popped to the 3pt line on a couple of occasions he would get some very clean looks & make the D come to him. Still he only 23, so plenty of Summers to improve his game.
          I agree on the improvement with the right hand but it is going to be difficult for Sabonis to sustain his early (this season) efficiency with the post up game. He is fundamentally very sound in the post and can really exploit certain match-ups but his length and lack of a go to move that can't be blocked will always mean he is putting up a ton of contested shots. Would love for the Pacers to get him 2 or 3 more looks a game where he starts deeper in the post off of some other action (baseline ball screen for a shooter etc.) and can go right into his shot off a single dribble or a simple shot fake.

          Interesting that some who have talked down the twin towers look are now more interested with Goga in the equation. Truth is I would love to see lots of twin tower line-up combinations once everyone gets healthy because those three guys are all really talented and have a really varied skill set. If it happens I think Warrens minutes will suffer because it will be a lot of three guard line-ups with some combination of Brogdan, Vic, Lamb and the two Holidays. All of those guys have length, athleticism, ball skills and can contribute on both ends of the floor.

          Small ball worked for the Rockets tonight because outside of McConnell no one could (or would) get into the paint on the drive and blow up the aggressive perimeter defense Houston was using to get the Pacers out of their half court sets. When a team starts the defense and is trapping the ball handler well outside the three point line guys cannot pick-up the dribble and cannot settle for moving threes off of ball screens.

          The Pacers needed both Warren and McDermott to show up tonight and they did not for big stretches of the game especially in the second half. Warren you kind of have to give a pass based on recent games and the odds of an offensive stinker showing up. While McD got torched on defense he did continue to show that if he is involved in the offense and allowed to make "basketball plays" instead of just standing in the corner he can be valuable and efficient bench scorer. JHoliday also struggled and honestly had some nice open looks that didn't go down.

          I thought the defense looked pretty good except for a couple bad runs. Really looking forward to what this team can accomplish at that end once Turner gets healthy and Vic is back at full speed. Can certainly ***** about the offense at times but this coaching staff really knows how to get the most out people on that end of the floor......
          Last edited by Downtown Bang!; 11-16-2019, 10:51 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
            I disagree with you on the guys getting around him comment. There was a reason the Pacers were elite at stopping drives last year, and that was for a large part on Turner. And IIRC, the putbacks are mostly a myth, they happen but no more than any other team.

            Now as far as post defense? Absolutely agree with you there. And a slow decision maker on offense? Agree there as well. You can have a role player with that profile though, you just have to use them in places where they have to make less decisions. Typically that's in the corner, but it doesn't have to be.

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            So you agree his post defense is an issue and he's slow on offense? I would say he makes inefficient passes at best. That's enough for him to fall short of being a role player. To me, a role player is solid. By solid I mean he doesn't do anything spectacular but doesn't have any meaningful holes in his game. I don't think Myles qualifies because of that. If he fixes these two issues I will gladly welcome him but I think he substantially hurts offensive flow on offense and he plays a lot of minutes. That's my #1 issue with him that I think isn't recognized enough by most people.

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            • #36
              I'll put this out here, you can all say it's stupid and I know nothing about basketball or whatever, but at least I will have said it.

              The Pacers' defensive tradition of perimeter defenders forcing their man inside and then letting them past means Myles has to rotate to pick them up. His man then SHOULD be picked up by another defender, which often doesn't happen either due to size or spacing. One of the BEST things about having both Sabonis and Turner in the game is that Sabonis can rotate to get the rebound when Myles rotates to pick up the driver.

              But I guess it is far easier to decide that the defensive coach who supposedly saves this team every year is so stupid and blind that he lets Myles choose to not defend his man over and over against the defensive scheme.

              Now - let me have it with both barrels.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by BillS View Post
                I'll put this out here, you can all say it's stupid and I know nothing about basketball or whatever, but at least I will have said it.

                The Pacers' defensive tradition of perimeter defenders forcing their man inside and then letting them past means Myles has to rotate to pick them up. His man then SHOULD be picked up by another defender, which often doesn't happen either due to size or spacing. One of the BEST things about having both Sabonis and Turner in the game is that Sabonis can rotate to get the rebound when Myles rotates to pick up the driver.

                But I guess it is far easier to decide that the defensive coach who supposedly saves this team every year is so stupid and blind that he lets Myles choose to not defend his man over and over against the defensive scheme.

                Now - let me have it with both barrels.
                No. Help the help is a very important defensive principle in this (and many) defensive schemes. The last two ECF teams got by with the relatively un-athletic combo of Hibbert & West because they were elite at rotating, knowing where to be in space etc.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

                  I think Turner is ... so much like George Hill or Derrick McKey.
                  What? McKey wasn't hesitant. He preferred to distribute--he was one of our best passers ever. And he was one of the highest IQ players to ever wear the Jerry West logo.
                  Last edited by McKeyFan; 11-16-2019, 12:24 PM.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

                    What? McKey preferred to to distribute—he was one of our best passers ever. And he was one of the highest IQ players to ever wear the Jerry West logo.
                    They are definitely not the same skill set. I meant it in terms of all those players are low usage, defensive first players who were criticized for not doing more on offense (and specifically for all 3 of them for not shooting enough) even though they are all quite good overall. Obviously Mckey's passing was better, Turner's shooting was better, etc.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BillS View Post
                      I'll put this out here, you can all say it's stupid and I know nothing about basketball or whatever, but at least I will have said it.

                      The Pacers' defensive tradition of perimeter defenders forcing their man inside and then letting them past means Myles has to rotate to pick them up. His man then SHOULD be picked up by another defender, which often doesn't happen either due to size or spacing. One of the BEST things about having both Sabonis and Turner in the game is that Sabonis can rotate to get the rebound when Myles rotates to pick up the driver.

                      But I guess it is far easier to decide that the defensive coach who supposedly saves this team every year is so stupid and blind that he lets Myles choose to not defend his man over and over against the defensive scheme.

                      Now - let me have it with both barrels.
                      Most of the board has decided all we need is Domas and that is good enough. After only playing 4 games together. Goga is good already but he is not ready to be a starter. So that leaves Myles. As far as Myles being a "role"
                      player he plays his role well. Doing what is asked of him. Most role players do one thing really well. Myles makes it hard to come inside and as an added bonus he scores at a very high
                      efficiency. This team needs everyone healthy to go far and without Myles or Brogdon or Victor the Pacers will not reach their potential.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BillS View Post
                        I'll put this out here, you can all say it's stupid and I know nothing about basketball or whatever, but at least I will have said it.

                        The Pacers' defensive tradition of perimeter defenders forcing their man inside and then letting them past means Myles has to rotate to pick them up. His man then SHOULD be picked up by another defender, which often doesn't happen either due to size or spacing. One of the BEST things about having both Sabonis and Turner in the game is that Sabonis can rotate to get the rebound when Myles rotates to pick up the driver.

                        But I guess it is far easier to decide that the defensive coach who supposedly saves this team every year is so stupid and blind that he lets Myles choose to not defend his man over and over against the defensive scheme.

                        Now - let me have it with both barrels.
                        Weird but I don't see Sabonis having those issues or even Goga in his short time in the NBA.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                          Weird but I don't see Sabonis having those issues or even Goga in his short time in the NBA.
                          Then you aren't looking because you see what you want to see.

                          Sabonis gets rebounds but often doesn't defend the driver well. A quicker offensive player puts the ball in past him and there's no rebound to get unless he misses.

                          Many of Goga's minutes are spent playing very much like Turner - I will agree Goga goes after rebounds more when he's on the floor without a strong rebounder, but he commits fouls when the quick driver goes by him.

                          It's about more than the box score of the guy labeled C vs. the opponent's guy labeled C.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BillS View Post
                            Sabonis gets rebounds but often doesn't defend the driver well.
                            And that's an understatement. Check out the highlights on ESPN for last nite's game. They showed 3 drives by Harden where Domas was flat-footed as the shot went up. And in. SOME resistance would be appreciated - but that's just not his game.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BillS View Post

                              Then you aren't looking because you see what you want to see.

                              Sabonis gets rebounds but often doesn't defend the driver well. A quicker offensive player puts the ball in past him and there's no rebound to get unless he misses.

                              Many of Goga's minutes are spent playing very much like Turner - I will agree Goga goes after rebounds more when he's on the floor without a strong rebounder, but he commits fouls when the quick driver goes by him.

                              It's about more than the box score of the guy labeled C vs. the opponent's guy labeled C.
                              Give me the guy that stays down and grabs the rebounds over the guy that's flying around chasing blocks and letting the other teams grab those rebounds.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                                Well I wanted the Pacers to win of course, but I was smart
                                enough to bet on the Rockets so at least I won some cash.

                                Surprising the game was so close all things considering,
                                Westbrook being unable to hit a layup helped us.

                                Tonight showed how important Brogdon is.

                                Missed opportunity to move up in standings and likely
                                another loss tonight. I like this group but frustrated with
                                our record right now.
                                8-7 with a brand new group of guys, with the injuries we have sustained, you must have had very high expectations.

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