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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
    It's almost like not having to play with TyStink has set Doug free....
    Going from Tyreke to McConnell has been huge for Doug. The difference between the two in the ability (or the willingness) to find Doug is night and day. Allow me to illustrate this point.

    These are Doug's shooting splits for last season -> https://stats.nba.com/player/203926/...gular%20Season

    If you go down at the bottom of the page you will see a small "assisted by" table at the left corner. In there, you will see that Tyreke assisted in 21's of Doug's baskets. Throughout the whole season. Doug scored 207 baskets in that season which means that Tyreke assisted only in around 10% of Doug's baskets.

    These are Doug's shooting splits for this current season -> https://stats.nba.com/player/203926/...gular%20Season

    McConnell has assisted in 13 of Doug's baskets already. We're only 10 games into the season and Doug has scored 33 baskets. That means that McConnell is responsible for assisting in around 33% of Doug's baskets.

    The above also obviously matches the eye test. Reke wasn't good at finding Doug. Oftentimes, he would even outright ignore him. McConnell, on the other hand, seems able to get Doug going and the two of them have developed some pretty good chemistry.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Handoverfist View Post
      Yeah but Myles struggles against big, physical centers too. He's an excellent shot blocker but can get pushed around in the post at times.
      True but we can't have it both ways. We need to be consistent. If we are to criticize Myles when his personal opponent posts good numbers (even if Centers aren't always responsible for guarding their personal opponent due to fulfilling their role of protecting the rim) we need to do the same to Domas. Or we could simply focus on the production of our own players and accept both of our bigs with their strengths and weaknesses.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • #48
        This is the McDermott I knew would ultimately emerge. Way more active on both sides of the floor. He’s looking like another emerging + contract.


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

          Going from Tyreke to McConnell has been huge for Doug. The difference between the two in the ability (or the willingness) to find Doug is night and day. Allow me to illustrate this point.

          These are Doug's shooting splits for last season -> https://stats.nba.com/player/203926/...gular%20Season

          If you go down at the bottom of the page you will see a small "assisted by" table at the left corner. In there, you will see that Tyreke assisted in 21's of Doug's baskets. Throughout the whole season. Doug scored 207 baskets in that season which means that Tyreke assisted only in around 10% of Doug's baskets.

          These are Doug's shooting splits for this current season -> https://stats.nba.com/player/203926/...gular%20Season

          McConnell has assisted in 13 of Doug's baskets already. We're only 10 games into the season and Doug has scored 33 baskets. That means that McConnell is responsible for assisting in around 33% of Doug's baskets.

          The above also obviously matches the eye test. Reke wasn't good at finding Doug. Oftentimes, he would even outright ignore him. McConnell, on the other hand, seems able to get Doug going and the two of them have developed some pretty good chemistry.
          I hope this McConnell-McDermott theory is true. I don't want this just to be a streak for McBuckets. His consistent offense takes us to another level.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            Very good win. Tonight was a test for this team's offense and we proved that we can score the ball against a good defensive team (Orlando was a top 3 defense before this game). Our defense struggled a lot in the first half but it was much better in the second half. Credit to Nate and Burke for the adjustments and credit to the team for executing better.

            Domas was once again close to a triple-double. He is a star for this team. Brogdon had a very good game as well and hit the shot that basically ended the game. TJ Warren finds ways to score even if they aren't the prettiest shots. Holiday continues to do well as a 3 & D guard next to Brogdon. Sampson didn't do a lot tonight but that's alright. McConnell and Doug were absolutely fantastic and a reason why we won the game. Justin Holiday did his job. TJ Leaf and Alize Johnson contributed by grabbing offensive boards and Leaf also had 1 block.

            This was a quality win and despite our injuries and a 0-3 start, we're only half a game behind Milwaukee and Philly.
            Regarding Warren, we have to accept that it's part of his game. That circus like shots are his signature. I don't watch the NBA closely as I used to so when I had to watch a compilation of him when we signed him, his Suns clips were full of shots like those we have seen so far.

            Dear McDermott, with your start in this season, you make my initial unrealistic hope of you being Korver like, a tangible possibility again.
            Never forget

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Johanvil View Post

              Regarding Warren, we have to accept that it's part of his game. That circus like shots are his signature. I don't watch the NBA closely as I used to so when I had to watch a compilation of him when we signed him, his Suns clips were full of shots like those we have seen so far.

              Dear McDermott, with your start in this season, you make my initial unrealistic hope of you being Korver like, a tangible possibility again.
              Absolutely true. This is the shots that Warren can make and he makes them at a pretty efficient rate. So, we will indeed have to accept that this is how he scores.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #52
                I really hate the shots Warren is taking, but as he makes them we should accept it with our thanks. I love McBuckets.

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                • #53
                  I got really confused at the mcdonalds drive through and ordered a mcbuckets combo. Got Pacers on the brain.
                  Lifelong pacers fan

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

                    I hope this McConnell-McDermott theory is true. I don't want this just to be a streak for McBuckets. His consistent offense takes us to another level.
                    Imagine a spread bench lineup of McConnell, Lamb, McDermott, J. Holiday, and Bitazde. Can’t double anyone and Goga will feast inside.


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                    • #55
                      Aaron Holiday is shooting 46 percent from three, and a staggering 26 percent from inside the arc. That is crazy!!

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                        Probably the best W of the year. The offense is starting to come around. 31 assist to only 9 TO is crazy good on the road. The team moves the ball and takes care of it.So far, they’re looking like a fundamentally sound squad.
                        Yes, Pacers play very smart. Pleasure to watch. Though some decisions are still... bad. Yesterday, Pacers had a comfortable lead, couple minutes to play - instead of using the clock and executing offense when it's set and ready to go back to defend in case of a miss or whatever - couple rushed decisions and Magic almost got back in the the game.

                        Why I highlighted your quote? Pacers play basketball the RIGHT WAY. Cool. Other team can play the same way too, but never see a winning record. Big difference that Pacers are assembled with the right people (bench is cheering for the guys on the floor, guys on the floor are helping each other, no bickering or garbage like that) - BUT!!! Pacers are brimming with talent. Dipo, Myles, Lamb, Goga out (that's a 4 starters for you for the team with the winning record) - no problem. Second half yesterday was just a beauty to watch. After the halftime Pacers stepped on the court, starting busting their arses on D and played smart on O. Brimming with confidence.
                        I think that injuries, though unpleasant and unnecessary actually helped this NEW Pacers team to come together quicker. Now everybody knows who is who better, everybody had good games, and when the injured guys will return - the fans know now, the backups know too that if foul troubles, small injuries during the game - next guy up will not drop the ball.

                        One more thing. Very fundamentally sound squad. Loaded with talent. You can never ever have too much talent.



                        12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                        Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                          True but we can't have it both ways. We need to be consistent. If we are to criticize Myles when his personal opponent posts good numbers (even if Centers aren't always responsible for guarding their personal opponent due to fulfilling their role of protecting the rim) we need to do the same to Domas. Or we could simply focus on the production of our own players and accept both of our bigs with their strengths and weaknesses.
                          I completely agree, that’s why I said Sabonis too.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by docpaul View Post

                            Imagine a spread bench lineup of McConnell, Lamb, McDermott, J. Holiday, and Bitazde. Can’t double anyone and Goga will feast inside.


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                            I love this thought ... until I realize that our third stringers would be wholly comprised of our draftees: Leaf, A-Day, Sum & AJ. Too much unrealized/undeveloped talent....


                            "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                            - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by DrFife View Post

                              I love this thought ... until I realize that our third stringers would be wholly comprised of our draftees: Leaf, A-Day, Sum & AJ. Too much unrealized/undeveloped talent....
                              I think that Aaron and Sumner have done enough to earn a spot in the rotation.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                                I think that Aaron and Sumner have done enough to earn a spot in the rotation.
                                I don't. I think Sumner has exceeded all expectations and has potential. Aaron just doesn't have the IQ yet. I like them both, but who sits if they make the rotation?

                                Brog/Lamb/Warren/Domas/Myles/Justin/TJM/Goga/McDermott/Sampson

                                That's ten, but when Dipo returns that's 11.

                                I just don't see room for Aaron or Sumner. Or Leaf.
                                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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