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  • Odd Thoughts: Behold, a win vs the Pistons

    Let's be honest the level of competition right now leaves a lot to be desired. While Detroit has looked like the mid 80's Celtics vs us the truth is they have only won 4 games, two of which were vs us. They were short handed tonight as well so we will give them somewhat of a break with that (we were as well so really it evened out) but most of the teams we have faced have been mostly healthy (at least more so than us) and right now we are cooking with gas.

    Our bench which to begin the year with was an actual point of real concern has come alive of recent and tonight actually outscored the Pistons bench 51 - 28. Also if you take into consideration that we even had 2 bench players in the starting lineup and one of the main bench players (once we are totally healthy) out tonight our bench from day one has looked dramatically improved.

    If it weren't for some bad play calling and well honestly a little bit of uneven refereeing we could easily be on a 6 game winning streak. Hell the one game we lost we lost in OT and had a 19 point lead in the second half. Again level of competition has to go in here but considering where we started to where we are now? I'll take it and ask for seconds.

    You can look at Drummonds night from two points of view.

    Point of view # 1 is that he did not have the normal monster night he has against us because he was in foul trouble

    Point of view # 2 is that him getting into foul trouble was no coincidence. Domantas put him in the washing machine more than once in the low post and got him jumping. He made one particularly stupid foul of Domas about 35 feet from the basket that sent him to the bench. It was no coincidence that in the third quarter Casey had Drummond set and the moment that Domas went to the bench he tried to shuttle him in. He knew that he could not play against Domas without potentiality fouling. While Domas did not have enormous scoring stats he was absolutely relentless in the low post.

    Just for the record, watching these two old school giants go at it in the post was such a joy to watch. Drummond is a beast and well Domas is as well. I think the NBA is a little more physical this year, at least I hope it is.

    Also for the record, T. J. McConnell taking over and scoring 8 straight points was exactly what all of us predicted going into this game.

    Tonight let's give grades and use pure hyperbole.

    Domas Sabonis: A King Kong vs Godzilla, Ali vs Frazier, Sabonis vs Drummond. For those of us that love old school physical basketball it doesn't get a lot better than this anymore. Or to put it more to you guys in the younger generation there is this. Thanos vs Iron Man and Sabonis snapped his fingers and set the world right again. I don't know what I'm waiting on to give out an A+ because honestly he should get it. But he wasn't able to hit his outside shots tonight so I'll knock it down to an A. But my God what an A. I love virtually everything about Sabonis.

    T.J. McConnell: A By all rights this guy should be the third string (maybe 4th if you include Edmond) and in 21 minutes tonight went out and stole the souls of the Pistons. 17 points is bananas but more importantly he had 9 assists and 0 turnovers. He had the ball a lot when he was on the floor and had zero turnovers. The Pacers altogether only had 12 so we did a great job protecting the ball. But this was one hell of a performance from T.J. Hustle.

    Justin Holiday: A Came into the game and covered Kennard like gravy on rice. But it didn't stop there, he rotated rapidly from the wing to the post area and blocked 4 shots. Got to the line 7 times and had the decency to hit 6 of those shots. Has firmly entrenched himself into the 3 & D player that so many have wanted for so long. It will be interesting to see where he shakes out in the roster once everybody is back but I don't believe he will be out of the rotation. However somebody is going to have to sit once Victor gets back and right now I would say Justin has earned a spot on the floor. You don't win this game without him, that's how important he was.

    Jakarr Sampson: B Someday I will quit grading him on expectations and just do what he does but until then I just expected nothing out of this guy in fact I thought I wouldn't like him at all. But I'll be damned if he isn't a physical presence on defense. He is not afraid to body up anyone, including going at Drummond a couple of times. His rebounding was anemic but it's hard to get a lot of boards when you are attempting to get them from Sabonis & Drummond. His offense is really and added bonus that I wasn't expecting.

    Malcolm Brogdon: B- By far his worst outing as a Pacer as far as scoring and assists. However there is a reason for that. Detroit doubled him every single time he went to the middle, they were making a concerted effort to cut off his driving lanes and had 4 arms slapping at him trying to make him either lose the ball, pick up the dribble or pass. It doesn't help that this is coinciding with his worst shooting of the season. I'm not worried though, that was an adjustment that we all knew was coming so now let us see how Malcolm and Nate adjust to the adjustment. Still the floor general while out there and basically is just a smart overall player.

    T.J. Warren: C Shot was not automatic tonight but kept pushing on and still ended up tied for our scoring lead. He helped a little on the glass and he is making a real effort to try and defend at a higher level. Did make a couple of questionable passes as well, so he really just had an okay game.

    Doug McDermott: C A solid C performance from Doug.

    Aaron Holiday: C- Still better than the crap performances from the first game vs the Pistons. But man does he make some dumb passes. Passes that would make Lance Stephenson shake his head at. As I said previously, with Aaron is typically is an all or none performance with him with the consistency of a tornado. So the other night we got the good tonight we got a lot of bad with a little good thrown in.

    T.J. Leaf: C- Not much to report tonight with him. Played 8 minutes and neither sucked or did good. I really wish we would have went to him a couple of more times in the post vs Maker because i thought that would be a good matchup for him but T.J. just does not do enough to make himself available. He, like Sampson, is being judged by expectations and well frankly I really wanted a lot more out of him both tonight and this season. Once everyone is healthy I can assure you that one of the players to lose min. will be Leaf.

    Before we go, is Luke Kennard the greatest player to ever live? Is he a first ballot Hall of Famer? I'm telling you every time I have to watch him play I think he is. I assume he wakes up in the morning whenever he plays the Pacers and already has 20 points before we even tip off. I have no idea what he is doing on the season but if I base it on playing the Pacers he is a scorer on par with Harden and George Gervin.

    Let's take a day of rest and then go to Orlando and see if we can't catch the Magic by surprise.

    Also I liked the Taco Cat Award of the night so much that I think I'm going to try and remember to do it nightly.

    Tonight's taco Cat winner goes to



    T.J. McConnell because while he couldn't hit an outside shot to save his life and actually passed up 2 wide open three point attempts he completely decimated the Pistons by driving straight up the lane and hitting shots.

    Now is the time on Odd Thoughts when we dance.






    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    I absolutely love Sabonis & he is worth every single cent of his contract as well as sincerely hope he makes us have to pay him his incentives.

    If he & Turner workout I think it'll be more than likely that Sabonis is the reason for this.

    I may be a bit over zealous, but I don't see why Sabonis can't develop at PF the way Blake Griffin has. I'm not talking about the uber athletic Blake Griffin that took the league by storm in LA, I'm talking about the Blake Griffin that we have seen in Detroit. Griffin uses his strength, IQ & general skills to get things done nowadays. Sabonis will need to work on his handle a bit & develop the outside shot more, but I don't see why he can't play the way Griffin has the last couple of seasons.



    I really like TJ Warren, but I think we are at our best when we have good defensive players out there & man is Justin Holiday a good defender.
    Brogdon, Oladipo, J.Holiday, Sabonis & Turner could be a dream. Plenty of scoring with Brogdon, Oladipo & Sabonis as well as J.Holiday & Turner who are well above average defensively with Brogdon & Oladipo.
    Then man do we have some bench weapons with Warren, Lamb, Bitadze, Sumner, McConnell, McDermott, Sampson & A.Holiday when he hot.

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    • #3
      I really hope TJ McConnell gets the backup PG spot when everyone is back and healthy. Classic PG that knows how to make the offense tick. Keep Aaron Holiday as the undersized SG that he is, the man cannot run point.

      Also, for some reason I just really like JaKarr. I feel like he's the sort of guy who plays with a chip on his shoulder...undrafted, likely never highly regarded by the "experts" but really is forcing his way into the rotation of a good NBA team out of sheer force of will alone. Love guys like that. I have been a beLeafer but when everyone's back and healthy I'm not sure any spare minutes shouldn't go to JaKarr instead.

      I think I'm ready to admit I was wrong about Justin Holiday. Thought it was a pointless signing but he's found his role, even though occasionally he'll still throw up an airball or an ugly brick that makes me cringe.
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        The Pacers needed someone to do the dirty work underneath and I believe we have that is Sampson. Apparently he turned down more money in China than
        he is getting paid here because he thought this team could be special. That info came from Quinn and Denari last night. He keeps playing like last night and
        he will help us get there.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Let's be honest the level of competition right now leaves a lot to be desired. While Detroit has looked like the mid 80's Celtics vs us the truth is they have only won 4 games, two of which were vs us. They were short handed tonight as well so we will give them somewhat of a break with that (we were as well so really it evened out) but most of the teams we have faced have been mostly healthy (at least more so than us) and right now we are cooking with gas.

          Our bench which to begin the year with was an actual point of real concern has come alive of recent and tonight actually outscored the Pistons bench 51 - 28. Also if you take into consideration that we even had 2 bench players in the starting lineup and one of the main bench players (once we are totally healthy) out tonight our bench from day one has looked dramatically improved.

          If it weren't for some bad play calling and well honestly a little bit of uneven refereeing we could easily be on a 6 game winning streak. Hell the one game we lost we lost in OT and had a 19 point lead in the second half. Again level of competition has to go in here but considering where we started to where we are now? I'll take it and ask for seconds.

          You can look at Drummonds night from two points of view.

          Point of view # 1 is that he did not have the normal monster night he has against us because he was in foul trouble

          Point of view # 2 is that him getting into foul trouble was no coincidence. Domantas put him in the washing machine more than once in the low post and got him jumping. He made one particularly stupid foul of Domas about 35 feet from the basket that sent him to the bench. It was no coincidence that in the third quarter Casey had Drummond set and the moment that Domas went to the bench he tried to shuttle him in. He knew that he could not play against Domas without potentiality fouling. While Domas did not have enormous scoring stats he was absolutely relentless in the low post.

          Just for the record, watching these two old school giants go at it in the post was such a joy to watch. Drummond is a beast and well Domas is as well. I think the NBA is a little more physical this year, at least I hope it is.

          Also for the record, T. J. McConnell taking over and scoring 8 straight points was exactly what all of us predicted going into this game.

          Tonight let's give grades and use pure hyperbole.

          Domas Sabonis: A King Kong vs Godzilla, Ali vs Frazier, Sabonis vs Drummond. For those of us that love old school physical basketball it doesn't get a lot better than this anymore. Or to put it more to you guys in the younger generation there is this. Thanos vs Iron Man and Sabonis snapped his fingers and set the world right again. I don't know what I'm waiting on to give out an A+ because honestly he should get it. But he wasn't able to hit his outside shots tonight so I'll knock it down to an A. But my God what an A. I love virtually everything about Sabonis.

          T.J. McConnell: A By all rights this guy should be the third string (maybe 4th if you include Edmond) and in 21 minutes tonight went out and stole the souls of the Pistons. 17 points is bananas but more importantly he had 9 assists and 0 turnovers. He had the ball a lot when he was on the floor and had zero turnovers. The Pacers altogether only had 12 so we did a great job protecting the ball. But this was one hell of a performance from T.J. Hustle.

          Justin Holiday: A Came into the game and covered Kennard like gravy on rice. But it didn't stop there, he rotated rapidly from the wing to the post area and blocked 4 shots. Got to the line 7 times and had the decency to hit 6 of those shots. Has firmly entrenched himself into the 3 & D player that so many have wanted for so long. It will be interesting to see where he shakes out in the roster once everybody is back but I don't believe he will be out of the rotation. However somebody is going to have to sit once Victor gets back and right now I would say Justin has earned a spot on the floor. You don't win this game without him, that's how important he was.

          Jakarr Sampson: B Someday I will quit grading him on expectations and just do what he does but until then I just expected nothing out of this guy in fact I thought I wouldn't like him at all. But I'll be damned if he isn't a physical presence on defense. He is not afraid to body up anyone, including going at Drummond a couple of times. His rebounding was anemic but it's hard to get a lot of boards when you are attempting to get them from Sabonis & Drummond. His offense is really and added bonus that I wasn't expecting.

          Malcolm Brogdon: B- By far his worst outing as a Pacer as far as scoring and assists. However there is a reason for that. Detroit doubled him every single time he went to the middle, they were making a concerted effort to cut off his driving lanes and had 4 arms slapping at him trying to make him either lose the ball, pick up the dribble or pass. It doesn't help that this is coinciding with his worst shooting of the season. I'm not worried though, that was an adjustment that we all knew was coming so now let us see how Malcolm and Nate adjust to the adjustment. Still the floor general while out there and basically is just a smart overall player.

          T.J. Warren: C Shot was not automatic tonight but kept pushing on and still ended up tied for our scoring lead. He helped a little on the glass and he is making a real effort to try and defend at a higher level. Did make a couple of questionable passes as well, so he really just had an okay game.

          Doug McDermott: C A solid C performance from Doug.

          Aaron Holiday: C- Still better than the crap performances from the first game vs the Pistons. But man does he make some dumb passes. Passes that would make Lance Stephenson shake his head at. As I said previously, with Aaron is typically is an all or none performance with him with the consistency of a tornado. So the other night we got the good tonight we got a lot of bad with a little good thrown in.

          T.J. Leaf: C- Not much to report tonight with him. Played 8 minutes and neither sucked or did good. I really wish we would have went to him a couple of more times in the post vs Maker because i thought that would be a good matchup for him but T.J. just does not do enough to make himself available. He, like Sampson, is being judged by expectations and well frankly I really wanted a lot more out of him both tonight and this season. Once everyone is healthy I can assure you that one of the players to lose min. will be Leaf.

          Before we go, is Luke Kennard the greatest player to ever live? Is he a first ballot Hall of Famer? I'm telling you every time I have to watch him play I think he is. I assume he wakes up in the morning whenever he plays the Pacers and already has 20 points before we even tip off. I have no idea what he is doing on the season but if I base it on playing the Pacers he is a scorer on par with Harden and George Gervin.

          Let's take a day of rest and then go to Orlando and see if we can't catch the Magic by surprise.

          Also I liked the Taco Cat Award of the night so much that I think I'm going to try and remember to do it nightly.

          Tonight's taco Cat winner goes to



          T.J. McConnell because while he couldn't hit an outside shot to save his life and actually passed up 2 wide open three point attempts he completely decimated the Pistons by driving straight up the lane and hitting shots.

          Now is the time on Odd Thoughts when we dance.



          Peck, even you are an administrator ...i must say, i do enjoy your writing very much.

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