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Official 2019/20 NBA prediction thread (standings, awards, champion)

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  • Official 2019/20 NBA prediction thread (standings, awards, champion)

    It's that time of year. Time to put your money where your mouth is so to speak. Obviously injuries can change everything but assuming rosters pan out as they are right now here is my best guess. I don't feel real great about my west predictions. I have a feeling that the Pelicans might be better than I'm giving them credit for but damn the west has a ton of teams that should make the playoffs.

    Atlantic

    Philadelphia 76ers [2]
    Boston Celtics [3]
    Toronto Raptors [4]
    Brooklyn Nets [6]
    New York Knickerbockers

    Central

    Milwaukee Bucks [1]
    Indiana Pacers [5]
    Detroit Pistons [8]
    Chicago Bulls
    Cleveland Cavaliers

    Southeast

    Orlando Magic [7]
    Miami Heat
    Atlanta Hawks
    Charlotte Hornets
    Washington Wizards

    Pacific

    Los Angeles Clippers [1]
    Los Angeles Lakers [3]
    Golden State Warriors [5]
    Sacramento Kings
    Phoenix Suns

    Southwest

    Houston Rockets [4]
    San Antonio Spurs [8]
    New Orleans Pelicans
    Dallas Mavericks
    Memphis Grizzlies

    Northeast

    Denver Nuggets [2]
    Portland Trailblazers [6]
    Utah Jazz [7]
    Minnesota Timberwolves
    Oklahoma City Thunder


    Playoffs East

    1st round

    Bucks
    Pistons

    76ers
    Magic

    Celtics
    Nets

    Raptors
    Pacers

    2nd round

    Bucks
    Pacers

    76ers
    Celtics

    E.C. Finals

    Bucks
    76ers

    Playoffs West

    1st round

    Clippers
    Spurs

    Nuggets
    Jazz

    Lakers
    Blazers

    Rockets
    Warriors

    2nd round

    Clippers
    Warriors

    Jazz
    Lakers

    W.C. Finals

    Clippers
    Lakers

    NBA Finals

    76ers
    Lakers

    NBA Champion

    Lakers


    NBA AWARDs

    MVP

    Giannis Antetokounmpo

    MIP

    Caris Levert

    ROY

    Zion Williamson

    COY

    Frank Vogel

    6th man

    Eric Gordon

    DPOY

    Joel Embiid

    League Leaders

    PPG

    Antetokounmpo

    RPG

    Drummond

    SPG

    George

    BPG

    Turner
    Last edited by Peck; 10-12-2019, 03:07 PM.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    East:

    1. Milwaukee
    2. Philadelphia
    3. Boston
    4. Orlando
    5. Indiana
    6. Toronto
    7. Brooklyn
    8. Miami
    9. Detroit
    10. Atlanta
    11. Chicago
    12. Washington
    13. New York
    14. Cleveland
    15. Charlotte

    1st Round:
    Milwaukee vs Miami
    Philadelphia vs Brooklyn
    Boston vs Toronto
    Orladno vs Indiana

    2nd Round:
    Milwaukee vs Indiana
    Philadelphia vs Boston

    ECF:
    Milwaukee vs Philadelphia

    West:

    1. Denver
    2. Clippers
    3. Utah
    4. Lakers
    5. Houston
    6. Portland
    7. Golden State
    8. Dallas
    9. San Antonio
    10. New Orleans
    11. Sacramento
    12. Oklahoma City
    13. Phoenix
    14. Minnesota
    15. Memphis

    1st Round:
    Denver vs Dallas
    Clippers vs Golden State
    Utah vs Portland
    Lakers vs Houston

    2nd Round:
    Denver vs Lakers
    Clippers vs Portland

    WCF:
    Clippers vs Lakers

    Finals:
    Philadelphia vs Clippers

    NBA Champs:
    Clippers

    Awards/Stats:

    MVP: Embiid
    MIP: Tatum
    DPOY: Giannis
    6MOY: Lou Williams
    ROY: Williamson
    COY: Steve Clifford

    PPG: Harden
    RPG: Drummond
    APG: Westbrook
    BPG: Turner
    SPG: George

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    • #3
      I expect the Pacers to be either 3rd or 4th in the east. I also expect them to win the first round. Not sure about the 2nd round. Much of this depends on how well Victor plays in the 2nd half of the season.

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      • #4
        I forgot Assist leader

        Chris Paul


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #5
          Pacers make 5th seed & surprise in the first round behind Oladipo getting closer to 100%. Take Bucks to six or seven games in the second round resulting in one more season of being a tough out but not a contender. 20-21 is the year the Pacers core gets/stays healthy, key players mature and they become legitimately dangerous......

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          • #6
            Eastern Conference
            1. MIL
            2. IND
            3. PHI
            4. BKN
            5. BOS
            6. MIA
            7. TOR
            8. CHI
            --------
            9. ORL
            10. DET
            11. ATL
            12. NYK
            13. CLE
            14. WAS
            15. CHA

            Western Conference
            1. DEN
            2. LAC
            3. UTA
            4. LAL
            5. HOU
            6. GSW
            7. POR
            8. SAS
            --------
            9. NOP
            10. MIN
            11. SAC
            12. DAL
            13. OKC
            14. PHO
            15. MEM

            Playoffs- Eastern Conference
            MIL over CHI
            IND over TOR
            PHI over MIA
            BKN over BOS

            2nd Round
            MIL over BKN
            IND over PHI

            Eastern Conference Finals
            MIL over IND

            Playoffs- Western Conference
            DEN over SAS
            LAC over POR
            GSW over UTA
            LAL over HOU

            2nd Round
            LAL over DEN
            GSW over LAC

            Western Conference Finals
            LAL over GSW

            NBA Finals- LAL over MIL
            Finals MVP- A Davis

            MVP: Davis
            MIP: Sabonis
            6th Man: LouWill
            DPOY: Turner (3+ blocks)
            ROY: Zion
            COY: Malone

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            • #7
              Oh come on guys, there has to be more than just the few of us who are willing to say what is what for the upcoming season.


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              • #8
                I don’t think the Bucks will be as good as last year, Brogdon was a huge player for them, and now he is with us. We have improved our depth, length, athleticism, three point shooting, and gotten younger at the same time. PHI, IND, MIL top three seeds, PHI-IND conference finals. DEN, LAC, LAL top three in west. DEN-LAC conference finals. LAC beats the Pacers in a hard fought series. Kawhi and Co. prove to be to tough in the end

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by moran1985 View Post
                  I don’t think the Bucks will be as good as last year, Brogdon was a huge player for them, and now he is with us. We have improved our depth, length, athleticism, three point shooting, and gotten younger at the same time. PHI, IND, MIL top three seeds, PHI-IND conference finals. DEN, LAC, LAL top three in west. DEN-LAC conference finals. LAC beats the Pacers in a hard fought series. Kawhi and Co. prove to be to tough in the end
                  Bucks will be in the conference finals they still have Giannas and if his shot has improved then nobody will stop the Bucks in the East

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                  • #10
                    Ok, Bucks-Pacers in the conference finals 😃

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Motion Offense View Post

                      Bucks will be in the conference finals they still have Giannas and if his shot has improved then nobody will stop the Bucks in the East
                      I've given them the benefit of the doubt in my predictions, but I wouldn't be completely shocked to learn that they were knocked out before the ECF. I worry about Philly's spacing of the floor with a single plus shooter (Richardson) in their starting unit. However, if Philly finds a way to get some spacing and they match up with Milwaukee somewhere other than the Finals, I could see Mil going out. Their guard rotation is significantly weaker with the loss of Brogdon. Bledsoe and Wesley Matthews project as starters (we know about Wes starting. Pass.) with George Hill and Pat Connaughton backing. Plus Korver to spell and shoot threes. Not crazy about that backcourt rotation.

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                      • #12
                        It’s not to late to make your thoughts official. Where are my non pacer fans at on here? Kstat, shags, Ryan to name a few?


                        Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                        • #13
                          East:

                          1. Milwaukee
                          2. Philadelphia
                          3. Boston
                          4. Indiana
                          5. Orlando
                          6. Miami
                          7. Brooklyn
                          8. Toronto
                          9. Detroit
                          10. Atlanta
                          11. Chicago
                          12. Washington
                          13. New York
                          14. Cleveland
                          15. Charlotte

                          1st Round:
                          Milwaukee vs Toronto
                          Philadelphia vs Brooklyn
                          Boston vs Miami
                          Orlando vs Indiana

                          2nd Round:
                          Milwaukee vs Indiana
                          Philadelphia vs Boston

                          ECF:
                          Milwaukee vs Philadelphia

                          West:

                          1. Denver
                          2. Clippers
                          3. Utah
                          4. Golden State
                          5. Houston
                          6. Portland
                          7. Lakers
                          8. San Antonio
                          9. Dallas
                          10. OKC
                          11. Sacramento
                          12. New Orleans
                          13. Minnesota
                          14. Phoenix
                          15. Memphis

                          1st Round:
                          Denver vs San Antonio
                          Clippers vs Lakers
                          Utah vs Portland
                          Golden State vs Houston

                          2nd Round:
                          Denver vs Golden State
                          Clippers vs Portland

                          WCF:
                          Clippers vs Denver

                          Finals:
                          Milwaukee vs Denver

                          NBA Champs:
                          Milwaukee

                          Awards/Stats:

                          MVP: Greek Freak
                          MIP: TJ Warren
                          DPOY: Giannis
                          6MOY: Lou Williams
                          ROY: ???? (should be Williamson but since he is injured, I don't know)
                          COY: ????

                          PPG: Harden
                          RPG: Drummond
                          APG: Westbrook
                          BPG: Gobert
                          SPG: George






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                          • #14
                            Milwaukee vs Denver

                            I love it, the NBA's worst nightmare. The amount of complaining from NBA beat writers and bloggers would be enough to power the world for 100 years.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              Milwaukee vs Denver

                              I love it, the NBA's worst nightmare. The amount of complaining from NBA beat writers and bloggers would be enough to power the world for 100 years.
                              Not the worst - both places are fairly nice in June and Milwaukee has a Big Hype player.

                              Now, Pacers vs. Suns, THAT would be a disaster.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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