Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

[Naptown_Seth]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

The coaching staff is emphasizing fouls in practice, routinely blowing the whistle and telling the players when they foul.

If only they'd tried this last year, maybe brought in refs during practice scrimmages including FanJam in order to get the players to stop worrying about the calls so much.


Oh yeah.

[aero]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

they dont need to extend him. He hasnt shown he was the big man we though he could become when we drafted him.

[Hicks]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

Ironically, he was one of the voices of reason with the original brawl... pleading with people to stay on the bench and calm down.

I recall him getting involved on his way out of the tunnel, even hitting a fan I think, and mysteriously didn't get suspended.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

It's tough to not extend a guy with his talent and size, but I expect no extension. It's clear he has not given the team any reason to believe he will ever "get it". ...and I think it's too late at this point.

[idioteque]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

I recall him getting involved on his way out of the tunnel, even hitting a fan I think, and mysteriously didn't get suspended.

What? Do you have any evidence of this, I don't remember that happening at all. All I can remember DH doing is trying to get Rasheed out of the stands and getting hit in the head with a flying chair, which is shown if you ever decide to watch the ugly *** brawl again. I am hoping that I never have to watch that ever again, personally.

I hope that DH gets it. When he talks about "foul" trouble maybe he is also referring to technical fouls. Like regular fouls, they do keep him on the bench

Sunshiner moment maybe, I know.

[sweabs]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

Yep, I'm pretty sure Mal is correct. I remember that as well. I'll see if I can dig something up.

[sweabs]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

Charges to Be Filed In Pistons-Pacers Brawl
By Greg Sandoval
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 23, 2004; Page D07
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...Police have also begun investigating new reports that Indiana reserve center David Harrison struck a man during the melee but apparently out of camera range. "The information that we've received is that Harrison hit a 60-year-old man without any provocation," Gorcyca said.

Harrison, via a Pacers spokesman, declined to comment.
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Fourth Pacer sentenced for brawling
Last updated: Friday, September 30, 2005
CBC Sports
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A fourth Indiana Pacer has been sentenced after pleading no contest to misdemeanour assault charges in a brawl last November.

In Rochester Hills, Mich., Friday, David Harrison was sentenced to a year of probation. He also must perform community service, undergo anger management counselling and pay a $250 fine.

Teammates Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson entered the same pleas on the same charge and received the same sentence last week.

A fifth player, Anthony Johnson, pleaded no contest this month to a count of misdemeanour assault and battery and is scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 7. Prosecutors have recommended that Johnson perform community service and serve probation, along with paying fines and court costs.

A no-contest plea in Michigan is not an admission of guilt but is treated as such for sentencing.

Several fans also were charged in the Nov. 19 brawl at The Palace of Auburn Hills. It started after Detroit Pistons centre Ben Wallace shoved Artest following a hard foul.

It's been described as one of the worst brawls in U.S. sports history.

[Unclebuck]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

The funny thing is the only thing I remember about the actual night of the brawl is when Tinsley pickup the dustpan. Everything else has been erased from my memory

[Kstat]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

His problem isn't fouls. They don't worry me.

What worries me is his temper. And I see nothing in the article that makes me think he knows it's a problem.

They're one and the same. His temper is the reason he collects most of his fouls.

[JayRedd]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

"Harrison hit a 60-year-old man without any provocation,"

That's amazing.

The funny thing is the only thing I remember about the actual night of the brawl is when Tinsley pickup the dustpan. Everything else has been erased from my memory

Really? Am I the only one who has watched this thing like 6,000 times?

[Anthem]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

They're one and the same. His temper is the reason he collects most of his fouls.

It's the reason he picks up his technical fouls. His personal fouls are because he doesn't move his feet.

Unless you mean indirectly, as in "refs are harder on him and quicker to call fouls because he's known for having a temper." Which I could accept.

[Peck]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

It's the reason he picks up his technical fouls. His personal fouls are because he doesn't move his feet.

Unless you mean indirectly, as in "refs are harder on him and quicker to call fouls because he's known for having a temper." Which I could accept.

There is no doubt in my mind that David has earned the "no benefit of the doubt" status from the league refs.

Who could blame them?

The logical part of me agree's with Uncle Buck on this. There is just nothing there, no mental capacity to change or learn.

But there is still this small part of me that still holds onto the belief that David Harrison has never once had a stable environment to learn from here with the Pacers.

He came into a team filled with character issues, a team that management is now trying to get us to believe that had huge coaching issues and a team that has not once had a strong leader or a steady core of professional veterans to learn from and to help guide him.

I know, I know it's dumb to beleive this (I even admit this) however I can't help but believe that David does not GET the whole (can't yell at the refs.) thing because since he came here he has had Jackson, O'Neal and yes even Reggie Miller to show him the way.

I will see what the new staff can do with him before I just say cut him free. However he should have a short rope & also good for Larry for not giving an extension. If only Donnie had follwed this same philosophy with Jon Bender.....

Oh well.

[naptownmenace]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

Would some of the brilliant basketball minds out here please try to explain
what is up with Harrison? Why is he so foul prone?

What's up is he has a problem from the neck up.

Foster was a habitual fouler when he came into the league too but he learned how to control it. Hopefully he can figure out how to play defense without pushing and hacking but I'm not going to hold my breath.

IMO, Ike would make a better backup Center than DH.

[JayRedd]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

I love how some people act like he's all fine and good out there aside from that pesky foul trouble problem. But honestly, he's just a bad defender. That's why he fouls people.

He has no lateral movement, poor anticipation and is generally oafish all over the paint. It's puzzling because he seems to have quite a lot of dexterity and agility playing offense with his back to the basket, but wheneve the ball is not in his hands, his reaction time is just really poor. And this extends to the offensive end as well. IMO, he also sets poor picks, looks out of place when running through sets and always seems to be in people's way when they drive or just not in proper position for dump-off when his man leaves to help.

The only reasoning I can really come up with is that he just reacts slowly to everything, possibly because he has poor court awareness, vision and general understanding of the game of basketball. The only thing he really does well (score on the block) is him being proactive and dictating the action. Everything else, he's slow, clogging and just generally poor. Most astute players learn to see plays developing and, having played the game for some 15-20 years, understand what type of action is likely to follow the thing that just happened. He never seems to realize this and lags behind the play constantly.

It's like he's that dude from Momento and every play that happens is an entirely new experience that he's never witnessed before. Maybe that's why he freaks out and just smacks people in the arms all the time.

In summation, he isn't bad cause he fouls, he fouls cause he's bad.

[Speed]

Re: Harrison extension up in the air until he shows he can stay on court [Indystar]

I love how some people act like he's all fine and good out there aside from that pesky foul trouble problem. But honestly, he's just a bad defender. That's why he fouls people.

He has no lateral movement, poor anticipation and is generally oafish all over the paint. It's puzzling because he seems to have quite a lot of dexterity and agility playing offense with his back to the basket, but wheneve the ball is not in his hands, his reaction time is just really poor. And this extends to the offensive end as well. IMO, he also sets poor picks, looks out of place when running through sets and always seems to be in people's way when they drive or just not in proper position for dump-off when his man leaves to help.

The only reasoning I can really come up with is that he just reacts slowly to everything, possibly because he has poor court awareness, vision and general understanding of the game of basketball. The only thing he really does well (score on the block) is him being proactive and dictating the action. Everything else, he's slow, clogging and just generally poor. Most astute players learn to see plays developing and, having played the game for some 15-20 years, understand what type of action is likely to follow the thing that just happened. He never seems to realize this and lags behind the play constantly.

It's like he's that dude from Momento and every play that happens is an entirely new experience that he's never witnessed before. Maybe that's why he freaks out and just smacks people in the arms all the time.

In summation, he isn't bad cause he fouls, he fouls cause he's bad.

Yes, exactly and to make it all worse, I really think he refuses to admit his shortcomings and blames it on external causes, refs, coaches so he'll never get better until he acknowledges he has the problem and therefore the control to fix it. I bet he already dislikes Obie, cause he calls him out on it. If Harrison is here by Christmas I'll be surprised to be honest. I just don't know the light bulb is going to go on for him.

Freaking Danny goes to Obie and humbly admits he wasn't ready for the role he had last year, but Harrison won't acknowledge his shortcoming, come on.