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    Not too sure how to evaluate this schedule. But here it is


    https://www.nba.com/resources/static...dule_85x11.pdf

    https://www.nba.com/pacers/news/pace...edule-released
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 08-12-2019, 03:53 PM.

  • #2
    Those first 11 games (up until Houston) look like a cakewalk.

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    • #3
      I see 82-0.

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      • #4
        Good lord 4 home games the week of thanksgiving.


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        • #5
          6 national TV games, of which I pretty much guarantee one (the TNT Pacers vs Portland) will get replaced.
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • #6
            41 home and 41 away, seems right

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BillS View Post
              6 national TV games, of which I pretty much guarantee one (the TNT Pacers vs Portland) will get replaced.
              There's only two potential replacements. Knicks at 76ers, which is one of those games they sometimes make a national TV game from the start, but are unlikely to flex into that spot when one team will be 15 point favorites.

              The other option is Kings at Thunder, which only is attractive if both teams are better than expected.

              So I'm basically saying while nothing is guaranteed, I think the odds are very much not on your side.

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              • #8
                The fewer national games, the better. We usually suck a big one in nationally televised regular season games.

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                • #9
                  Mark Montieth wrote some observations about the schedule here.

                  He mentions "the Pacers have only 11 back-to-back sets, thanks to the league's decision to shorten the schedule of games that don't count and stretch out the schedule of games that do. They had sometimes played more than 20 back-to-backs in seasons past. They had 14 sets last season."

                  Back-to-backs are usually the first thing I look at and this downtrend in these games is one of the better things the league has done the past few years.

                  He also mentions we have 3x 5-game road trips. I have never seen this within my lifetime, so they are certainly trying to be smarter about the schedule in various ways. Overall I think it's a friendly schedule.
                  Last edited by HickeyS2000; 08-15-2019, 01:46 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Media Circus: Can the NBA reverse its viewership decline? The answer may be in the new scheduling
                    By Richard Deitsch / The Athletic


                    Tom Carelli is unlikely to be a familiar name to the people reading this column, but if you are a fan of the National Basketball Association, Carelli has an important role in your life given his job as the NBA’s vice president of game schedule management. Calling Carelli one of the NBA’s scheduling czars is accurate, although he is less czar and more group leader given there are about a dozen members of the NBA’s scheduling team.

                    One of the specific challenges for the NBA this year — which meant a significant task for Carelli and his crew — was to attack the decline in viewership from last season. Regular-season game telecasts across ABC, ESPN, TNT and NBA TV in 2018-19 averaged 1.2 million viewers, down 5 percent from the previous season. (NBA games were still up 3 percent from two seasons ago.) Particularly problematic was the viewership of the early windows of NBA national TV doubleheaders. Last year, per Sports Business Daily, TNT saw a 23 percent drop in viewership for the early windows in a doubleheader. ESPN had an 11 percent drop in the early window for its doubleheader games.

                    Clearly, a significant factor in the NBA’s viewership decline was LeBron James moving to Los Angeles. James was destination viewing for East Coast viewers when his home games tipped off in the East regardless of which market he played in. The league was also hurt by the continuing struggles of the franchises in the nation’s No. 1 (New York), No. 3 (Chicago) and No. 6 (Washington) media markets.

                    In an effort to increase viewership for the 2019-20 regular season, the NBA, in conjunction with ESPN and Turner, made a significant number of broadcast changes. The highlights:

                    • Reduced the number of 10:30 p.m. ET starts on national TV from 56 last year to 33 for the 2019-20 season.

                    • Reduced the number of doubleheaders tipping off at 8 p.m. ET and 10:30 p.m. ET on TNT and ESPN by a combined 42 percent from last season.

                    • Giving viewers in the Eastern Time Zone, which has 51 percent of the NBA’s TV audience, a better opportunity to view some of the NBA’s most popular teams, the NBA reduced the number of Lakers games tipping off at 10:30 p.m. ET to 10 in 2019-20 versus 19 last year. It has done the same with the Warriors (from 18 10:30 p.m. tips last year to 11 in 2019-20).

                    • Fifteen of ESPN’s Wednesday night doubleheaders will tip off at 7:30 p.m. ET and 10 p.m. ET and six will tip off at 7 p.m. ET and 9:30 p.m. ET.

                    • TNT has 12 Tuesday doubleheaders this season. Nine will have games that tip off at 7:30 p.m. ET and 10 p.m. ET and one has games beginning at 7 p.m. ET and 9:30 ET. Those are earlier tip-off times from last year.

                    • In terms of quality of play, teams will average 12.4 back to backs this season, down 36 percent since there were 19.3 per team in 2014-15 and a seven percent reduction from the 13.3 per team last season.

                    I spoke to Carelli on Wednesday and asked him how he will measure success regarding this year’s regular-season schedule.

                    “We measure it in several ways,” he said. “We released the schedule on Monday afternoon and what was the immediate impact from our teams, fans, media and our own self-examination? How did we do? Personally, I think we did really well. I think we accomplished what we set out to do, which was to try to be innovative in terms of our TV schedule, to continue to have a primary focus on our players’ rest and a focus on back to backs, and then looking at those back to backs and asking if we can make improvements in terms of travel efficiency and other factors. I think the response has been positive so far on those fronts. Our teams feel good about what we did. Now it’s up to the players and coaches, and in some cases the weather, to see how it goes.”

                    As a first guess following the schedule release, I think viewership will go up this year. The Western Conference has a ton of television draws (Lakers, Warriors, Clippers) and the change in tip times for the national games will help, especially for fans east of Denver.

                    Other factors that should lend to better viewership include a healthy James on the much more competitive Lakers, a second L.A. team becoming a powerhouse, the debut of Zion Williamson in New Orleans and big markets in Philadelphia and Boston remaining competitive. New Orleans, which I wrote about in May, could really be an interesting factor for viewership.

                    “Overall, it’s an acknowledgement by the NBA that their prime-time telecasts have to be seen where the viewers are to maximize ratings and media revenues — and that means viewers in the Central and Eastern time zones,” said longtime sports TV consultant Lee Berke, who has clients across NFL, MLB, NBA, NCAA, NHL and NASCAR.

                    “The reality is that 75 percent of all U.S. TV households are east of the Mississippi and that reality impacts all national telecasts of live sports. The NBA can’t ignore the West, but if they want to generate the largest numbers of potential viewers for their TV partners, they have to choose start times so that Eastern and Central viewers can tune in for entire games before they go to bed. Also, the move reflects the NBA’s recent free agency moves, and the league has to make their gamecasts more accessible to East Coast viewers to build the revenues that drive profitability and team asset values.”

                    Carelli said his scheduling group takes into account the West Coast fan and the impact of starting games slightly earlier or slightly later than the norm. “We don’t want to put a disproportionate amount of responsibility on any fan base,” he said. “We looked carefully at it. We thought if we could target the Tuesday night games on TNT and Wednesday night games on ESPN, that would be a great place to start.”

                    What are future steps by the league that could help stem any viewership declines? Berke said if overall ratings increase in 2019-20 regular season, the NBA should apply these start times to more regular-season West Coast games. He said that should be the mindset when it comes to the NBA Finals, which traditionally tips off just past 9 p.m. ET.

                    “The NBA may ultimately need to move back the start times for the playoffs and particularly the finals,” Berke said. “This year, most finals games tipped off just past 9 p.m. ET, and with additional commercials and replay reviews, the games weren’t over until after 11:30 p.m. ET. The reality is that even dedicated fans start going to bed by 11 p.m. ET on weeknights, which means that the potential viewership universe was shrinking during what often was the most exciting part of each game. My thought is that the NBA may want to offer up all their finals start times at 8 p.m. ET, just like they’ve done for Sunday finals games.” The Ink Report


                    1. Jared Dubin of NBAthlete.com provided an invaluable chart of how many national television appearances each team has between ESPN, NBA TV and TNT.

                    As you can see, the Lakers (43) and Warriors (42) top the list, with the Cavaliers (3) and Hornets (3) at the bottom.

                    1a. Here is ESPN and ABC’s 101-game schedule.

                    1b. Here is Turner’s 67-game schedule.

                    1c. Here is the NBA’s schedule release.


                    Last edited by Roaming Gnome; 08-15-2019, 02:23 PM.
                    ...Still "flying casual"
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      Good lord 4 home games the week of thanksgiving.


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                      That's not good. Would 100000% rather be on the road during the holidays

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                      • #12
                        Music to my ears. Pretty much exactly what we've been saying for years. I understand 6:30 is probably best for west coast, but moving a lot of tips up 30-60 minutes makes a huge impact for me personally. I feel like it is better for the west coast to miss the first half potentially than for the east coast to miss the second half.

                        It comes down to halftime more than the tip though. If a game starts at 8:30 or 9, halftime is going to be almost 10. At that point, It's already at or past my bed time, so I usually don't sit through 20 minutes of a break and then watch the second half. If halftime is closer to 8:30 or 9, I know I can watch the second half without staying up too much later than normal.

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                        • #13
                          You can always add 10, sometimes 15 minutes (which I think TNT or ESPN was doing last year, 1 or the other) to the actual star time, of course.

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                          • #14
                            Really glad to see the west coast times adjusted. Majority of viewers east of the Mississippi
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                            • #15
                              Wow Utah gets 25 national TV games! Not sure any of the Pacer teams with real playoff potential ever came close to that in the last decade. Good for them though I like that franchise.

                              Bogie returns the night before Thanksgiving?


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