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  • #76
    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

    Once VO went down, it screwed up the rotation, and forced players into roles that they wasn't intended to have in the first place. On the plus side, VO's injury did allow the Pacers to find out that Bojan is a capable scorer as the #2 or #3 option for the team. I honestly believe that Doug was only supposed to be used as a specialist in certain situations and not full time rotational player.
    Very true. Doug is definitely a "the more they play, the less you like" type of guy I think.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by imawhat View Post

      No, I'm just hoping for some big time draft night action (positive action, that is).
      Looked more like basing KP's value/ability solely on the draft.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #78
        No way KP signed Doug to be a situational player. He signed him to upgrade the bench and by any metric it worked. We had one of the best benches in the league last year, and yes, thatís mainly due to Domas feasting, but ití also helped to have Dougís uber efficient offense, especially with Tyreke and CoJo dragging down the offense.

        As far as his playoff performance is concerned, Iím giving him a mulligan like every other player on the roster. They were all terrible without VO there so Iím just gonna act like that series never happened lol.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post

          Very true. Doug is definitely a "the more they play, the less you like" type of guy I think.
          Lol...the funny part is that is his metrics (as CJ Jones pointed out) was relatively good. I made a comment about it during the season, and come to find out that he was actually better than I thought he was. I swear that the eye test was painting a totally different picture for me.

          https://www.basketball-reference.com...mcderdo01.html


          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

            Lol...the funny part is that is his metrics (as CJ Jones pointed out) was relatively good. I made a comment about it during the season, and come to find out that he was actually better than I thought he was. I swear that the eye test was painting a totally different picture for me.

            https://www.basketball-reference.com...mcderdo01.html
            Over 40% from 3, +1.8 on/off, top 25 in the league in effective field goal percentage (minimum 60 games played)....
            Maybe there are two Doug McDermott's???
            Danger Zone

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Rogco View Post

              Over 40% from 3, +1.8 on/off, top 25 in the league in effective field goal percentage (minimum 60 games played)....
              Maybe there are two Doug McDermott's???
              Lol...could be! That's why I stopped hating on him. The numbers wasn't validating the eye test.


              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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              • #82
                Seems like Doug could be that Korver/Redick type we always long for, and now that he's here we cannot stand him.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                  I wouldnt hate on the Rubio interest. Rubio would be a decent (I agree, not GREAT) pick up until Holiday is ready. My main concern with Rubio is his health. Other than that, he would be fine. You have to also keep in mind, Rubio isnt going to demand a max contract Russell would. Also, Rubio is a traditional pass-first point guard, and from what I recall, he was a decent defender.

                  I would be more than happy if we picked up Rubio, offer a max contract at Middleton (this is what you have to do if you're Indy), trade McDermott and Bogdanović (hopefully we can retain the 18th pick) to the Spurs for Derozen. Hopefully we can re-sign Thad Young. We'll also have to keep in mind that at some point in the near future, we'll need to re-sign Sabonis who is going to demand (rightfully so) a lot of money.

                  This can potentially leave us with:
                  1) Rubio/Holiday
                  2) Oladipo/Derozen
                  3) Middleton/Derozen
                  4) Sabonis/Young
                  5) Turner/FA

                  I would be more than thrilled with that line up. While Oladipo was healthy, we had a great season. That line up is much better than what we had last year. Also, having someone line Derozen coming off the bench will help us with "load management" with Oladipo - similar to what Toronto did with Kawhi....

                  just my thoughts....
                  It would be quite an improvement. The problem is that cap holds make it violate the salary cap quite a bit. Even if the Pacers got Thad for 10 million a year and then kept Bojan's cap hold for a trade, that only leaves 20-25 million left which isn't enough for Middleton, let alone Middleton and Rubio.

                  I'm not trying to pick on your post btw. I'm just stressing that while the Pacers have lots of different scenarios they can do, the money runs out faster than expected in any particular scenario.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
                    Seems like Doug could be that Korver/Redick type we always long for, and now that he's here we cannot stand him.
                    I don't think our style or his team mates last year were really suited for Doug. I think you nailed it, and you could probably switch Doug with Korver or Redick last year without to much of a dropoff because of the situations those two are in.
                    Danger Zone

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
                      Seems like Doug could be that Korver/Redick type we always long for, and now that he's here we cannot stand him.
                      Because he sucks

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post

                        I actually had a long drawn out response to you earlier today during lunch and then I had to log back in to post it and I couldnt remember my password..

                        but basically my thoughts are that you have to look at the Pacers FO track record. David West is the only outlier in the decade that I have watched the Pacers in which we havent went and tried to fill out roles 5-8 in free agency. We have "showed interest" in multiple talented players, with no follow up. No "trade nearing completion"", "rumored trade", "Pacer meeting with xyz player", "xyz player declines meeting", etc.. Sure you could say the player has to be interested also... But if we have to pay a little extra for a really good player you dont go and lock up McDermott for 7m a year over 3 years.

                        So me saying that the Pacers whiff over talented players based on the assumption that talented players wont play here and cover up for that by making rumors to appease the fan base isn't the same thing as saying that the Pacers dont actually want to win a championship because it costs too much money or whatever.
                        The Pacers had a deal in place for JJ Reddick last year. He said he was ready to sign it but Philly came in at the last minute and countered the Pacers offer. Considering that he had his best season last year, that was a tough loss but they tried.

                        There was talk that they wanted Aaron Gordon last Summer but knew that Orlando was going to match or beat their offer. They settled for McBuckets and Tyreke because they were turned down by the better targets. Indy hasn't had enough money to throw at good free agents in the past. They have enough this Summer so they'd better make good use of it!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by BornIndy View Post
                          Because he sucks
                          Great, wrong, addition to the thread. He's not great. Not even above average. He's definitely a top 8-9 guy that can play a role well though. He was just either asked to do too much with Vic out, or we expected too much in general.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post

                            Great, wrong, addition to the thread. He's not great. Not even above average. He's definitely a top 8-9 guy that can play a role well though. He was just either asked to do too much with Vic out, or we expected too much in general.
                            He and Corey Joseph were paid higher than anyone except the starting 5 including Dipo. That is near starter level money...at least on the Pacers.

                            What's funny is that people are downplaying what his role should have been. Others don't seem to want to acknowledge we overpaid. He had good offensive numbers yet nobody talks about his lack of defense and poor performance in the playoffs.

                            I suppose if the Pacers had an offense that could use his talents it might be different. But that's on KP as well. When you cut Lance Stephenson and have Corey Joseph as your backup point playing next to McDermott, very bad things are going to happen. It's less Doug's fault and FAR more KP's responsibility and failure.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                              He and Corey Joseph were paid higher than anyone except the starting 5 including Dipo. That is near starter level money...at least on the Pacers.

                              What's funny is that people are downplaying what his role should have been. Others don't seem to want to acknowledge we overpaid. He had good offensive numbers yet nobody talks about his lack of defense and poor performance in the playoffs.

                              I suppose if the Pacers had an offense that could use his talents it might be different. But that's on KP as well. When you cut Lance Stephenson and have Corey Joseph as your backup point playing next to McDermott, very bad things are going to happen. It's less Doug's fault and FAR more KP's responsibility and failure.
                              It's about a million above the average NBA salary. Its less that 10% of the cap. Would I prefer more like $5 million, sure. Is that more fitting for him, sure. I do agree though that I don't think the offense necessarily does him any favors.

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                              • #90
                                I'm here for the Bol Bol rage

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